Michael Jackson heart attack?

[The Euphor]

Originally Posted by GilkyBear

The child molester remarks aren't just coming from nowhere. When child after child makes the accusations after they were in bed with him only someone who is truly brain dead would choose to completely ignore it.

As some kids the right questions, and they'll tell you what you want to hear. It wouldn't be the first time it happened. Only the kids know what really happened, and they are more or less old enough to speak up. The only problem with that is that they could do it for exposure and get their 15 minutes of fame. Bad choice, of course. But it will give the MJ fans something to "defend" MJ with.

Poor parents accusing a very rich man for something he's paid his way out of before. Heck, for all I know he's guilty as a cat in a fishbowl. But it doesn't effect what he did musically, even less so before his guilt is proven.

For me it boils down to respect. I think I own one MJ CD. I can't say I'm a big fan. But I do respect him for what he has done for pop music.

[spacebard]

One thing is sure. If we found him in 500 years from now, he will still be intact. He had so many plastic surgeries that he's now non-biodegradable

[prydogga]

Originally Posted by Robstar

He who's not sinned cast the first stone kind of thing.

LOL!

Hell I've never molested a child so I'll "throw a stone" if I so choose.

[GilkyBear]

Originally Posted by The Euphor

As some kids the right questions, and they'll tell you what you want to hear. It wouldn't be the first time it happened. Only the kids know what really happened, and they are more or less old enough to speak up. The only problem with that is that they could do it for exposure and get their 15 minutes of fame. Bad choice, of course. But it will give the MJ fans something to "defend" MJ with.

Poor parents accusing a very rich man for something he's paid his way out of before. Heck, for all I know he's guilty as a cat in a fishbowl. But it doesn't effect what he did musically, even less so before his guilt is proven.

For me it boils down to respect. I think I own one MJ CD. I can't say I'm a big fan. But I do respect him for what he has done for pop music.

I totally agree. The first album I ever bought was 'Thriller' when I was 9 years old. At least I got to hear Eddie Van Halen

I'm just saying you can't call people 'brain dead' for making the argument, it is a very valid argument.

Is OJ Simpson going to be remembered as a great running back or a murderer? He was also found "Not Guilty" as I recall.

[Homebake]

Originally Posted by GilkyBear

I totally agree. The first album I ever bought was 'Thriller' when I was 9 years old. At least I got to hear Eddie Van Halen

I'm just saying you can't call people 'brain dead' for making the argument, it is a very valid argument.

Is OJ Simpson going to be remembered as a great running back or a murderer? He was also found "Not Guilty" as I recall.

lol.

i found out the other day OJ was actually a footballer...

[eviltwin]

hmm I think he was already falling apart inside and out while still alive, so no.

I'm doubting his musical legacy as well. He had success as a child prodigy, with his brothers, then did some solo Motown stuff (written by the likes of Holland/Holland) but those first efforts really didn't do much. Only when he got Quincy Jones, a whole slew of co-writers and some big names in (EvH) did he become really big.

The only decent songs for which MJ got writer's credits are Beat It and Billie Jean (which Jones didn't think was good enough for the album !) Give in to Me is ok-ish. But all of those are carried by other peoples' guitar or bass riffs (uncredited)

Call me cynical, but I've always found many of the collaborations contrived and opportunistic. If you read closely what EvH (and Lukather) or Slash have said regarding their work with Jacko, you even start to doubt whether their contributions are actually on the recording.

Also, Michael did do the voice of a mental patient -who believed he was MJ- for the Simpsons, but he left the singing in the episode to an impersonator. It makes you wonder what else was fake.

[jemsite]

jacko will be remembered as a tragic figure first & foremost. any other belief is denial pure and simple.

Warning of a hatchet job below so if you're a wacko zealot skip to the next post...

record breaking sales or whatever is irrelevant (he died $400 million in debt for the record). King of pop was spew to sell magazines & newspapers to dummies. Yawn.

BY ALL REPORTS the guy couldn't sing or dance yet had booked 50 shows to avoid losing the beatles catalog & total bankrupcy. In preparation of 43 rehearsals for this tour HE ATTENDED ONLY TWO. His drug abuse (and certain premature death) was an easy escape for him as those shows would have exposed him for the absolute fraud he was.

Not that he sang particularly well or anything to begin with, without MTV he'd be just another vegas freak side-show. He peaked with ABC (group effort) and leeched onto "music videos" to make himself an entertainer with nonsense like "moonwalking" and crotch grabbing (which is particularly interesting when you factor his sexual orientation & admitted sleeping with young/teen boys).

Then his enablers, execs, other musician & industry leeches like quincy jones looking for an instant hit collaborated for COOKIE CUTTER instant hits (promoted by SONY MUSIC that couldn't fail) that sold on name alone along with a stupid MTV video. Virtually none of which appeal to anyone anymore except people stuck in the past or wanting to be Tinkerbell themselves.

We all sin on various levels... but very few to the absolute low of abusing children. That is a line once crossed you can't return from. And thankfully jacko didn't return... glen

[The Euphor]

Originally Posted by GilkyBear

Is OJ Simpson going to be remembered as a great running back or a murderer? He was also found "Not Guilty" as I recall.

What you call football, and hardly kick. Pfft! American football is not as global as music, thinking of followers. And a great running back. I have no idea what that means. Heck, I barely understand the sport. I find music a lot easier to listen to.

Not trying to derail with a discussion about american football! If it were real football...

Edit: Hearsay your honor! Basing your opinions on gossip is allowed, but it seems strange to me. I guess some would say Malmsteen can't play guitar, just because he's said to be an ahole. I would focus on what he did musically. I'd say he sang pretty darn well too. Put him down if it makes you feel better.

[michblanch]

Here is a copy of the court documents that pushed Michael Jackson to settle for $15 MILLION dollars in the 1993 Molestation case.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/mjdec1.html

Here's a listing of items found during the raid on MJ's house, after he was accused of being a pedophile.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/michael...ksonhouse.html

Just seems that where there is smoke there may be fire.

[Rich]

OMG, he had some porn and some art books. I hope they never raid my house, because if that's a smoking gun, I'll be going to prison for a very long time. [evidently not one piece of "evidence" was actually illegal]

[michblanch]

Originally Posted by Rich

OMG, he had some porn and some art books. I hope they never raid my house, because if that's a smoking gun, I'll be going to prison for a very long time. [evidently not one piece of "evidence" was actually illegal]

Yea, but I dont think his porn had farm animals in em.

[rob777vdy]

Originally Posted by The Euphor

Try ****, MTV, newspapers. They speak of his legacy. A forum with brain dead shredders is not something to go by.

see what i mean about this fool posting dumb ass comments

[rob777vdy]

Originally Posted by jemsite

jacko will be remembered as a tragic figure first & foremost. any other belief is denial pure and simple.

Warning of a hatchet job below so if you're a wacko zealot skip to the next post...

record breaking sales or whatever is irrelevant (he died $400 million in debt for the record). King of pop was spew to sell magazines & newspapers to dummies. Yawn.

BY ALL REPORTS the guy couldn't sing or dance yet had booked 50 shows to avoid losing the beatles catalog & total bankrupcy. In preparation of 43 rehearsals for this tour HE ATTENDED ONLY TWO. His drug abuse (and certain premature death) was an easy escape for him as those shows would have exposed him for the absolute fraud he was.

Not that he sang particularly well or anything to begin with, without MTV he'd be just another vegas freak side-show. He peaked with ABC (group effort) and leeched onto "music videos" to make himself an entertainer with nonsense like "moonwalking" and crotch grabbing (which is particularly interesting when you factor his sexual orientation & admitted sleeping with young/teen boys).

Then his enablers, execs, other musician & industry leeches like quincy jones looking for an instant hit collaborated for COOKIE CUTTER instant hits (promoted by SONY MUSIC that couldn't fail) that sold on name alone along with a stupid MTV video. Virtually none of which appeal to anyone anymore except people stuck in the past or wanting to be Tinkerbell themselves.

We all sin on various levels... but very few to the absolute low of abusing children. That is a line once crossed you can't return from. And thankfully jacko didn't return... glen

this is what im talking about,nailed to perfection

[michblanch]

Ed McMahon, Michael Jackson, Billy Mays, I'll bet none of them owned a 3 Wolf 1 Moon Tshirt.

[nato101010]

Originally Posted by fretboardpyro

but i still don't care and i still haven't found the digestive biscuit i lost down the back of my sofa!

Did you find it yet?