MLB Druggie List

**jemaholic** · #1 12-13-2007, 03:31 PM

Mitchell Report: The Lineup

Bonds, Clemens among dozens fingered in MLB steroid probe
DECEMBER 13--Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Miguel Tejada, Gary Sheffield, Andy Pettitte, and Paul Lo Duca top the list of baseball stars fingered today as users of performance-enhancing drugs in the bombshell investigative report issued by George Mitchell, who has spent the past 20 months probing the widespread use of steroids and other banned substances in the sport

-jemaholic

Davey · #2 12-13-2007, 03:39 PM

Fingered eh? Is that how they check for 'roids these days?

540s · #3 12-13-2007, 03:57 PM

I say they should make a new league.. keep the old one but the new "anything goes" league with no restrictions on chemical enhancements could be fun!

Imagine how much more exciting baseball would be to watch if fans didnt know weather or not thier favorite players arms would blow off next time at bat.. or clocking 175MPH fast balls, 700' home runs etc...

Ya gotta admit it would be interesting

jemboyee · #4 12-13-2007, 03:58 PM

This is all silly. 20 months and 20 million dollars to tell us what we all pretty much know. Why not go back to the 60-70's when everyone in the clubhouse was taking "greenies"? Those were steroids as well.

Steroids are in every sport, period. If you truly want a level playing field for all athletes and sports, the only way is to eliminate testing altogether. Period.

ken_r152 · #5 12-13-2007, 04:09 PM

maybe they could even it out, and say "for every performance-enhanced player you have, you must have one performance-decreased player." Maybe someone at bat who is on a sedative or two.

**jim777** · #6 12-13-2007, 04:16 PM

Seriously, Andy Petite is a born again, bible carrying guy. You couldn't get him to cheat on anything if you put a gun to his head. This is all just hearsay in the end, gotten from convicts and fellons.

Canadian Mark · #7 12-13-2007, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jemboyee

This is all silly. 20 months and 20 million dollars to tell us what we all pretty much know. Why not go back to the 60-70's when everyone in the clubhouse was taking "greenies"? Those were steroids as well.

Steroids are in every sport, period. If you truly want a level playing field for all athletes and sports, the only way is to eliminate testing altogether. Period.

Exactly! What really gets me is how everyone is just appalled that their heroes taking these performance enhancers, yet these people are the ones driving up the demand for the performance these drugs can bring. What was the slogan? I think it was 'Chicks dig the long ball'.

Look at the money the record home run balls were getting at auctions. Look at the attendance figures when Sosa, Maguire, and Bonds were getting close to Hank Arron's and Babe Ruth's numbers. These players can see how much they would get paid (salaries, endorsements etc.) for the performance, so they are willing to take the chance (would you try and sneak through the system for $15 million plus/year? I would.).

It really blows me away is the Senate thought they shold get got involved. This is a league and legal issue, not one the national government should be wasting taxpayers dollars investigating themselves. Why should the government pick on baseball when every pro sport has this issue?

Everyone fan wants the ultimate in performance, they just don't want to know how that performance was achieved. Pretty hypocritical in my opinion.

Sorry for the rant, but I've been tossing this one around with friends for a while now.

ScottB · #8 12-13-2007, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ken_r152

maybe they could even it out, and say "for every performance-enhanced player you have, you must have one performance-decreased player." Maybe someone at bat who is on a sedative or two.

Yea! Have 2 designated hitters - one for the pitcher and one for the catcher. The two DHs, right fielder and shortstop have to do a bong hit once per inning. All relief pitchers have to be high on mushrooms! Everyone else has to be on steroids or HGH. If a pitcher intentionally walks a player, the batter has the option to take first base or punch the pitcher in the nose and return to the dugout. The umpires, managers and coaches have to play quarters for shots of Jack Daniels for each pitching change and during the 7th inning stretch...

**jim777** · #9 12-13-2007, 04:31 PM

Plus, the Olympic committee tests for 60 different performance enhancing drugs, and baseball tests for 30. They may have put a guard at the front door, but the back door is still wide open to cheaters. That's what I said, baseball's back door is wide open to cheaters

anyway....

Canadian Mark · #10 12-13-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jim777

Plus, the Olympic committee tests for 60 different performance enhancing drugs, and baseball tests for 30. They may have put a guard at the front door, but the back door is still wide open to cheaters. That's what I said, baseball's back door is wide open to cheaters

anyway....

That's true. As well, they can't test for other anabolic agents such as HGH, IGF, insulin etc. let alone the other designer drugs that don't have tests developed yet. I don't think you will ever rid sports of performance enhancing substances.

ken_r152 · #11 12-13-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottB

Yea! Have 2 designated hitters - one for the pitcher and one for the catcher. The two DHs, right fielder and shortstop have to do a bong hit once per inning. All relief pitchers have to be high on mushrooms! Everyone else has to be on steroids or HGH. If a pitcher intentionally walks a player, the batter has the option to take first base or punch the pitcher in the nose and return to the dugout. The umpires, managers and coaches have to play quarters for shots of Jack Daniels for each pitching change and during the 7th inning stretch...

I just sort of envision this team with Cheech and Chong standing out in the outfield, just sort of staring straight ahead.

Cheech: .......hey, Man..........wasn't that your ball?........
Man: ............................................what?. .................

Davey · #12 12-13-2007, 04:57 PM

YES, I've said this for a long time!

Quote:

Originally Posted by 540s

I say they should make a new league.. keep the old one but the new "anything goes" league with no restrictions on chemical enhancements could be fun!

Imagine how much more exciting baseball would be to watch if fans didnt know weather or not thier favorite players arms would blow off next time at bat.. or clocking 175MPH fast balls, 700' home runs etc...

Ya gotta admit it would be interesting

ken_r152 · #13 12-13-2007, 05:03 PM

But seriously, it is best to stay away from performance enhancement anything.

jemplayer55 · #14 12-13-2007, 05:15 PM

As far as I'm concerned both MLB and the NFL are full of overpaid athletes. As far as steroids..... or any other performance enhancing drugs like HGH, if these fools elect to damage their bodies I say oh well. I don't have any respect for them anyway!

The real problem lays in the salaries, endorsement deals, and the fans that convince them they are some type of hero or worship them like gods. What player in his right mind wouldn't try to improve their game with all that they stand to gain?

If the odds of getting caught or the cost of cheating were greater than the potential for enormous profit, things might change.

And for those that whine and say that their "playing lifespan" is short and that somehow justifies an outrageous salary, Well.... we damn sure don't pay our soldiers or police millions a year. They're the real gladiators willing to lay their life on the line.

Sad the things we'll overlook as long as the money keeps rolling in! Maybe it's just me.... but it seems we've gotten our priorities and belief system all f_cked up! Ok..... I'll step off the soapbox, before I fall off!