Obama - Officially next preident of the USA.

[eviltwin]

Originally Posted by GilkyBear

McCain was born overseas in a military hospital (Panama I believe) while his father was serving on active duty.

at the time (1935?) Panama was for all intends and purposes a US colony. (because of the Hay-Bunau Varilla Treaty)

Federal law states:

Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States

What they are saying about Obama is that he isn't a US citizen because per Hawaii law (at the time), where he was born in 1961, the law stated that in order to be a US citizen either...
A. Both parents have to be American (his were not, mother is but father is Kenyan)
B. One parent (in his case, the mother) has to be US citizen and 5 of those years of citizenship had to be over the age of 16. She was only 18 when she had him, thus didn't meet the criteria.

Hence the talk is that he is not an actual US citizen.

Not saying it's true or not, I still stand by my comment above, but that is what the buzz is about.

let's look at it this way,
-his mother was born a US-citizen
-he was born in a US-State
what else should he have been but a US-citizen? Stateless? That makes no sense.

Again, federal law states:
All persons born in the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government are US-citizens

Note that his father is often referred to as Kenyan, but Barack was born in 1961 when Kenya was NOT an independent state. His father would legally have been a citizen of the commonwealth and would've qualified for UK-citizenship.

I don't know in what capacity his father was in Hawaii, but the only way for Barack not to qualify would be if both parents had been foreign citizens on diplomatic passports.

Let's stop calling him an African-American and use British-American in stead

For McCain "Natural Born" applies by extension.
For Obama "Natural Born" applies by inclusion.

[moebius]

Originally Posted by Ibanez249

Fair enough. But like I say, the boundaries here have become shades of grey and it's unclear as to what somebody can and cannot talk about.

Also, I'm sure you'll of read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/07/us...sition.html?hp

...and it's pretty save to say that he definitely understands the perspective of being somebody in the US But we'll not go there.

I interpret Bush's statement as more fear mongering. More of the usual from his horrible administration. I would not cite him as a good reference for terrorism information. Remember the so-called WMD's in Iraq?

Anyways, back on topic, I think Obama will do well and will surround himself with good people from both parties.

[GilkyBear]

Originally Posted by eviltwin

at the time (1935?) Panama was for all intends and purposes a US colony. (because of the Hay-Bunau Varilla Treaty)

Federal law states:

Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States



let's look at it this way,
-his mother was born a US-citizen
-he was born in a US-State
what else should he have been but a US-citizen? Stateless? That makes no sense.

Again, federal law states:
All persons born in the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government are US-citizens

Note that his father is often referred to as Kenyan, but Barack was born in 1961 when Kenya was NOT an independent state. His father would legally have been a citizen of the commonwealth and would've qualified for UK-citizenship.

I don't know in what capacity his father was in Hawaii, but the only way for Barack not to qualify would be if both parents had been foreign citizens on diplomatic passports.

Let's stop calling him an African-American and use British-American in stead

For McCain "Natural Born" applies by extension.
For Obama "Natural Born" applies by inclusion.

Yeah, like I said, if there was any truth to any of this it would have come out in the nomination process, especially when he started pulling ahead in the polls, and that was quite a while ago.

[OLIE_ROCKS_THE_80'S]

Originally Posted by Spooty777vai

i've not read all the previous posts (should have but oh well) I felt the need to comment anyway...Obama still has not provided a birth certificate, has laundered money in names of voters that swear to have not donated to him, and accepted donations in higher amounts than allowed; and many other things illegally done in his campaign. Mccain is not a saint by any means but come on. This is not right. there i've said my peace

BS

[Carlo]

His opponents kept throwing false rumors about his past just to cast doubt on his character throughout the campaign. I doubt it will stop even after the election is over. But it has become so comical and overboard, I've become numb to their constant mud slinging. The man is obviously very accomplished and intelligent, so the only thing they got left is character assassination.

and it's a wonderful thing to see his campaign built from the bottom up thanks to help of donations from average people. I donated $20-$50 here and there throughout the course of long campaign. Whenever he did something good, I donated. Whenever McCain did something rephrehnsible, I donate to Obama again. I think the millions of new donors he got was doing the same thing.

[Of Angels]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...ce-969772.html

McCain the one who was actually using some illegal fund raising? and has involvement with what some "crazies" would call the Illuminati? Beat me up for posting this, but I think that character assasination is all there is to ALL of the attacks on Barack Obama. Why? Because he's actually comparitively innocent in the world of dirty politics, and if you accuse your opponent of doing the things that YOU do, before they get a chance to accuse you of those things, then it sounds FAR less credible when the same exact story is turned around on you.

[jemsite]

the mudslinging is a tribute to to way he's carried himself & inspired masses thus far. it's like a barometer you know he's doing great when the haters are coming up with more spin and BS.

while this major change is still fresh and tough for some to accept it also seems really have have angered his opposition (ie. those fiddling while Rome burns). perhaps upon reflection the can get the message too and reexamine themselves and reconsider their purpose in politics and life. ... glen

[jim777]

Congratulations Obama!

So, are we done here now?

[Carlo]

Originally Posted by jim777

So, are we done here now?

not until someone claims Barack Obama eats babies and plays poker with terrorists

[taracatac]

OMG! Obama eats babies!

[Canadian Mark]

So he's related to Saddam Hussein AND Ed Roman?

Wow! Who knew?

[michblanch]

I am not a fan of Obama based upon his views on taxes.
That's my beef.

My upscale neighborhood is made up of Black Professionals, Indians, and Hispanics.
And I was really excited to see them feeling like they had a voice in this country.
After seeing the way my neighbors viewed the election, I hope that this helps our country bond.

I honestly hope that Obama does a fantastic job. If his presidency is a failure it is only going to hurt us all.

[andy7jem]

I thought Obama eats terrorists and plays poker with babies!!!

[ken_r152]

Originally Posted by Canadian Mark

So he's related to Saddam Hussein AND Ed Roman?

Wow! Who knew?

Oh, my god, he's related to ED ROMAN?! We invited THAT into our midst?

[Rodney James]

hmmm.... Do we really think we have a grip on the real reality of BO? The goverment? World issues? What the media feeds us, truth or lies?

Do each of us build our own opinions to give ourselves a false hope and comfortable delusions that we can deal with in order to smile and boost our own ego daily.

So many times we come back, before we went, forget to question between the lines, pass blame for change to justify a view, frustration, pain or anger.

Seems silly to pass blame on one president for the current disasters, and believe one president is the answer to bring peace & hope, when the current situation has been progressing to it's current state of crises over the course of decades & decades.

Change is a process, and as deep as things are, yep....were in troubled times...