UFO / abductions / conspiracy theory

[newbieguitarmaker]

Isn't area 54 a base in San Fransisco Bay =P

[newbieguitarmaker]

Originally Posted by Magical Muffin

From wikipedia:


Some conspiracy theorists have insisted that the Apollo Moon landings were a hoax. These accusations flourish in part because predictions by enthusiasts that Moon landings would become commonplace have not yet come to pass. Some claims can be empirically discredited by three retroreflector arrays left on the Moon by Apollo 11,[20] 14 and 15. With new technology, it is possible for anyone on Earth with an appropriate laser and telescope system to bounce laser beams off these devices, verifying deployment of the Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment at historically documented Apollo Moon landing sites. This evidence indicates the deployment of equipment which was constructed on Earth and successfully transported to the surface of the Moon. In addition, NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, in August 2009, began to send back high resolution photos showing the Apollo landing sites.[21]

It costs a lot of money and fuel to launch a massive 50+ (or however heavy they are) ton pile of metal into space, if you haven't ever realized.

We've sent probes to mars, no reason we couldn't have sent astronauts to the moon.

Yup, I'm actually going to be helping on a project that will send a rocket to space. I can tell you it isn't cheap but it is not impossible to send a man to the moon by any extent.

[jim777]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M

[shredmaster]

Originally Posted by jonnyboy mills

LMFAO, Reminds me of Ali G. I think your getting mixed up with Studio 54, that was a night club thats now closed down. You mean Area 51.

same weirdness LOL

[shredmaster]

Originally Posted by Mr. Killer

Now, think what would happen if the government admits they've been making deals with these creatures, deals that allow them to take any of us in exchange for their technology. I would preffer not to know that. )

I agree. first off, they would never admit anything. they are behind so much BS, using us to fuel their machine, they would never fess up. 2nd, I agree with you. Don't think for a second they wouldn't trade hundreds or thousands of us for technology or whatever they want. I'm also sure there is a cancer cure or AIDS cure that only they or their families get. I'm sure they let it run rampid to kill off the unwanted populations...or whatever reason they have. Again, I'm not saying I'm right, I'm saying this is what I strongly believe. WAY TOO MANY RED FLAGS with the 911 situation. i remember watching it and thinking right there....where's the plane in the field!?! they cleaned up a jumbo jet in 10 mins? Gee, that's a small hole in the side of the pentagon?! looks more like a sidewinder missile created it. To my surprise i found all these same issues on the web complete with drawings and diagrams, etc. still never any mention of the plane in the field. I don't trust the government with anything. It's too bad they turned. This could be a really great country if it was still for the people like it was back in the day... late 1700s (not that there wasn't corruption back then but it was more of how it was supposed to be.) it's for the government and what they need to do to benefit them and OTHER countries. i'm also seeing more spanish BS here in the USA. illegals everywhere and nothing to stop them. that's enough on that...no one in the "government" has the balls to do anything about anything. how hard is it to prevent these illegals from coming in here? they sure lay down the law for us if you're late with mortgage payments, taxes, medical, anything else. quick story. my aunt was at the doctor when a mexican woman and 5 kids came in, get checked out and left. my aunt said, i couldn't help but notice you waived their bill. the nurse said....well, they couldn't afford it. WHAT!!!!! would that happen for me ever!!!??

[UV-7-BK]

Originally Posted by shredmaster

quick story. my aunt was at the doctor when a mexican woman and 5 kids came in, get checked out and left. my aunt said, i couldn't help but notice you waived their bill. the nurse said....well, they couldn't afford it. WHAT!!!!! would that happen for me ever!!!??

dayum...that blows!!!!

[Emericavox]

to qoute the words of dave chappelle "The system wasnt made for us" haha=p

[Robstar]

Originally Posted by shredmaster

This could be a really great country if it was still for the people like it was back in the day... late 1700s (not that there wasn't corruption back then but it was more of how it was supposed to be.) it's for the government and what they need to do to benefit them and OTHER countries. i'm also seeing more spanish BS here in the USA. illegals everywhere and nothing to stop them. that's enough on that...no one in the "government" has the balls to do anything about anything. !??

Woooah there friend! This thread is talking about extra-terrestrials from outer space not alien immigrants from beyond our borders. One flies around in an hyperdimentional spaceship the other is working to feed their families for very little money. I think you know the difference.
Late 1700s the way it was supposed to be? Really! You do know that slavery was legal then and women could not vote or had many rights. Lets stay on point.
UFOs from outer space and beyond!!!!!!

[Robstar]

The truth!

Originally Posted by jim777

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M

[UV-7-BK]

Originally Posted by Robstar

The truth!

awesome....the bigger picture.

[bammbamm]

Originally Posted by shredmaster

i'm going to read all these very cool posts later but for now i will post my thoughts, in brief...cuz there are a lot.

UFO - never saw one and was never interested in them. i'm sure there is other life out there...the universe never ends. i do believe the government works on things without us knowing. area 54...government situation with MANY weird things goin' on there! as i said before, a friend of mine was in the special forces, as was a friend of his. his friend was assigned to various parts of area 54. when asked if there was anything not of this earth there he said he isn't allowed to speak of it. but he did say... i'm not saying there is but i'm not saying there isn't.

Conspiracy theory - the government is behind everything to make themselves look better. my thoughts....
1 - we were never on the moon! ever seen the photos with multiple light sources! why haven't we gone back? government BS like everything else.
2- government was behind JFK
3- government was behind 911. didn't anyone see that the hole in the pentagon was way smaller than a jumbo jet's wing span? didn't you find it weird there was no wreckage in the field where the plane supposedly crashed outside of the pentagon? these are just starters. there is so much more. i believe that the government / Bush needed a reason to go to war with the middle east. they did an evil act to get the american people behind them. i have heard this from many people...in the military as well.
4-ghosts. many stories on this. i have many friends with homes that were terribly haunted. i have many cool stories...some of which i witnessed. poltergeists, moving furniture, noises, sounds, etc. i have done a lot of research on the paranormal. that reminds me...i gotta get on the ball and book my haunted ghost tours of chicago. we try to do it once each time this year.

Steve

So, the Earth is flat too, then?
Where does the conspiracy stop?
I will be the 1st to admit the Gov't and most in fact, have skeletons. JFK, most likely was an inside job. But Lunar Landing?
You don't think mankind is capable of putting a man on the moon, poppy****, I say.
It speaks to our absolute essence to explore and push the boundaries.
If we didn't go to the moon, then the Earth is still flat and we aren't in America having this conversation right now.


We're in the MATRIX!!!


THERE IS NO SPOON ! ! !

[shredmaster]

Originally Posted by Robstar

Late 1700s the way it was supposed to be? Really! You do know that slavery was legal then and women could not vote or had many rights. Lets stay on point. UFOs from outer space and beyond!!!!!!

I know the difference. Still today people have to remind other people how bad slavery was. I didn't realize there were those among us (not you) that were over 200 years old. No one knows how bad it was back then. No one was alive then. According to government, everyone is supposed to have the same freedoms today. I have an issue with those who don't work because they don't want to or don't pay taxes because they don't want to or don't speak the language becuase they don't want to, and get a free ride on my dime. And no one alive today is at fault for issues back then either. I got off track for a second. I mentioned the 1700s because back then the new government was, for the most part, for the people. Now it's for themselves. I mentioned nothing of slavery.

Bamm, maybe they landed on the moon but not in the 50s. The US was in a massive rush to get there before the soviet union. Everyone knows we weren't on schedule at all and didn't have the technology ready. Maybe we went, but not when they said we did.

[Emericavox]

Originally Posted by shredmaster

Bamm, maybe they landed on the moon but not in the 50s.

definately not the 50's..maybe 1969? =p

[shredmaster]

yeah, maybe that's it ;p i admittedly didn't know the date. has no affect on my stance though. how does a flag flutter in the wind while on the moon?

interesting... one of many sites:

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm

A portion from that site that sums up most points...

For a starters, he says, the TV footage was hopeless. The world tuned in to watch what looked like two blurred white ghosts throw rocks and dust. Part of the reason for the low quality was that, strangely, NASA provided no direct link up. So networks actually had to film man's greatest achievement from a TV screen in Houston - a deliberate ploy, says Rene, so that nobody could properly examine it.

By contrast, the still photos were stunning. Yet that's just the problem. The astronauts took thousands of pictures, each one perfectly exposed and sharply focused. Not one was badly composed or even blurred.

As Rene points out, that's not all: The cameras had no white meters or view ponders. So the astronauts achieved this feet without being able to see what they were doing. There film stock was unaffected by the intense peaks and powerful cosmic radiation on the Moon, conditions that should have made it useless. They managed to adjust their cameras, change film and swap filters in pressurized suits. It should have been almost impossible with the gloves on their fingers.

Award winning British photographer David Persey is convinced the pictures are fake. His astonishing findings are explained alongside the pictures on these pages, but the basic points are as follows: The shadows could only have been created with multiple light sources and,in particular, powerful spotlights. But the only light source on the Moon was the sun.

[Mr. Killer]

Well everyone can believe what he/she wants. The same happens with religion. I personally think we have been on the moon, but I don't care if these astronauts were from the USA or from another country. I don't care about the time either. Anyone can create thousands of theories supporting his/her possition, just like religion. And there will always be those who instantly believe that and defend that theory with all their efforts.

Even if we were on the moon or not, it is obvious that technology related to space investigation has improved a lot, and to me that's what really matters.

P.D. No offense intended. I'm just giving my opinion