Is Dean using Dimebag Darrells name on inferior guitars? - Page 2

losgatosrg350dx · #16 03-11-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DEADTUNES666

I worked for a Dean dealer, and I think their stuff is laughable on par with Cort. I'm also a jerk, but Dean has very little redeeming value to me as a viable alternative to a real instrument. Without just bashing and being a pr!ck...

1) It might be me but they have a stigma to them, from being associated with Heart back in the day as a crud guitar. I find it hard to look past that. Kind of like a dude who had a sex change, I would have problems with banging something like that.

2) To me they have an inferior feel. Like some of their stuff wants to feel Gibson like but I don't connect with it. I am not a Gibson fan but I understand what would make someone want to play one. I don't get the whole Dean thing...

3) The guitars are not real crossover types of players for my liking. The dime guitars don't do jazz or pop real well. The Cadillac-V-Z don't have that sound that kills IMO. The Peavey Cropper Classic was a great example of a guitar that bridged so many musical gaps

4) On par with Epiphone. If you can't afford an axe with good electronics, get an Epiphone or a Dean

funny story about good guitars
i had a rr black with gold and rr neck through white, liked em, but i ended up selling them...
was sad...but i said, nah ill just mod a jackson
bought a brand new js30rr i think it was like 300

went into a used shop and boight a used jb and a used evo

reshielded it, used new good pots and good wiring

said to myself, i wouldnt have traded that guitar for a rr anytime EVER, call me insane but i played better on that guitar than the rr.....so what i meant is sometimes....not all guitars at any medium or high end price...doesnt mean they are the ****, i agre with you, dean isnt really all that great

**Ayrton** · #17 03-11-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by losgatosrg350dx

i dont think u grasp the concept of production and marketing and just plain ol money making

Perhaps you don't grasp that is all about money making. Dean builds and markets what sells, and cheap guitars aimed at early teen metal god wannabes sell.

Now I don't disagree that the guitars are less than steller (based on what I have seen), but how many guitars do you think Dean is going to sell in the $2-$4k+ price range that are based on the ML that Dime played? I understand that there are hardcore Dime fans, but it will be years (if ever) before Dime's legacy has the marketing power that a Hendrix, Clapton or EVH have when it comes to selling $20k+ guitars.

How many Zakk Wylde Les Paul Customs do you think sell at $4,000 compared to the $800 Epiphone version? (or you can spend $8,000 for the "aged" version lol)

Dean guitars had one real "celebrity player" (Dime) and they have marketed that to their advantage, and now they have the resources to go after more higher profile endorsers. This is of course to sell more guitars, in an effort to make more money.

kotornut · #18 03-11-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayrton

Perhaps you don't grasp that is all about money making. Dean builds and markets what sells, and cheap guitars aimed at early teen metal god wannabes sell.

Now I don't disagree that the guitars are less than steller (based on what I have seen), but how many guitars do you think Dean is going to sell in the $2-$4k+ price range that are based on the ML that Dime played? I understand that there are hardcore Dime fans, but it will be years (if ever) before Dime's legacy has the marketing power that a Hendrix, Clapton or EVH have when it comes to selling $20k+ guitars.

How many Zakk Wylde Les Paul Customs do you think sell at $4,000 compared to the $800 Epiphone version? (or you can spend $8,000 for the "aged" version lol)

Dean guitars had one real "celebrity player" (Dime) and they have marketed that to their advantage, and now they have the resources to go after more higher profile endorsers. This is of course to sell more guitars, in an effort to make more money.

Dude don't bother arguing with the guy, he's all over the forum pretending to know things he doesn't.

Anyways I always thought Deans had no asthetic value. They look like they are made by a guy who is doing a science project and can't figure out which 5 things he want's to put together. And their headstocks are hideous. I haven't played many, so I can't comment on thier quality so much but... They don't look worth it to me.

Which, brings me to this point. We rag on Ibbies from Korea a bit, but when you compare them to their price level guitars or even guitar a bit higher of other brands, they hold up remarkable well. I think a RG350 or 370 is a lot better than most guitars from other brands in that range like any dean or epiphone or mexican strat.

losgatosrg350dx · #19 03-11-2008, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayrton

Perhaps you don't grasp that is all about money making. Dean builds and markets what sells, and cheap guitars aimed at early teen metal god wannabes sell.

Now I don't disagree that the guitars are less than steller (based on what I have seen), but how many guitars do you think Dean is going to sell in the $2-$4k+ price range that are based on the ML that Dime played? I understand that there are hardcore Dime fans, but it will be years (if ever) before Dime's legacy has the marketing power that a Hendrix, Clapton or EVH have when it comes to selling $20k+ guitars.

How many Zakk Wylde Les Paul Customs do you think sell at $4,000 compared to the $800 Epiphone version? (or you can spend $8,000 for the "aged" version lol)

Dean guitars had one real "celebrity player" (Dime) and they have marketed that to their advantage, and now they have the resources to go after more higher profile endorsers. This is of course to sell more guitars, in an effort to make more money.

u can order a authentic dime to spec guitar from deans custom shop
but its like over ten grand

damn dont u hate crappy guitar manufactuers

losgatosrg350dx · #20 03-11-2008, 11:52 PM

[quote=kotornut;795721]Dude don't bother arguing with the guy, he's all over the forum pretending to know things he doesn't.

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ur opinion counts, but please dont degredate me or my experience, as i dont tell you that u are full of it, and i dont post about you

anything i post is outright my experience and time ive spent around guitars

you know my granddaddy told me once

opionions are like buttholes they all stink

and its not meant to be mean or anything, but i havent posted anything here thats far fetched or artificial in fact
so if u wouldnt mind please dont ruin the forum becasue im not here to tell anyone they are wrong or right, and im not here to superimpose in ur experience or anyone elses
so id apreciate it if u kept that to urself

thanks

ColinMmmmm · #21 03-12-2008, 12:34 AM

I'd love to play a USA Dime. I bet the quality on those is stellar. But yeah, they price in the range of the Zakk sig, which is too much for a guitar in my opinion. I'd have to be pretty damn good to justify a $4k guitar. But 8 $500 guitars I could do . . .

IbanezPrestigeBoy · #22 03-12-2008, 12:41 AM

I worked ina guitar shop for 5 years. Dean and Ibanez were our best selling "Name Brand" guitars. Let me tell you, I've never seen more guitars effed up right out of the box then Dean guitars.

THEY ALL NEEDED WORK BEFORE WE SOLD THEM. ALL OF THEM. They all either pain chips, sharp frets, neck problems, electronics problems etc. etc.

Low end Dean stuff is the worst **** going. It's pure rubbish. If you're gunna cheap out, Ibanez makes the best bang for your buck, seriously.

Our store sold alot of low end garbage like Jay Tursers, Squier' and other stuff that kids starting out could afford. In the low end range, I would recommend an Ibby.

But I must say, some of the 5k+ Deans were VERY nice. But they're all rip offs of something else. The hardtails for instance. For that money, I'd rather just buy a PRS, the guitar Dean was impersonating.

Dino · #23 01-20-2010, 08:17 PM

Somebody translate.

Mr. Killer · #24 01-20-2010, 09:36 PM

That's spam. Somebody get rid of it.

and now that this thread has been reborn ... yes I think Dean is using Dimebag's name to make some cash. The problem is most of the Dime guitars are very overpriced and some are just rubish (unless you buy a USA Dean, which I suppose is better made). I've tried many deans in the $300-$900 price range and the only one I "liked" was the cheap version of Dave Mustaine's sig model, but it wasn't that good either. Maybe a $1000+ dean is much better in terms of quality, but I haven't tried one yet.

Magical Muffin · #25 01-20-2010, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by IbanezPrestigeBoy

I worked ina guitar shop for 5 years. Dean and Ibanez were our best selling "Name Brand" guitars. Let me tell you, I've never seen more guitars effed up right out of the box then Dean guitars.

THEY ALL NEEDED WORK BEFORE WE SOLD THEM. ALL OF THEM. They all either pain chips, sharp frets, neck problems, electronics problems etc. etc.

Low end Dean stuff is the worst **** going. It's pure rubbish. If you're gunna cheap out, Ibanez makes the best bang for your buck, seriously.

Our store sold alot of low end garbage like Jay Tursers, Squier' and other stuff that kids starting out could afford. In the low end range, I would recommend an Ibby.

But I must say, some of the 5k+ Deans were VERY nice. But they're all rip offs of something else. The hardtails for instance. For that money, I'd rather just buy a PRS, the guitar Dean was impersonating.

I feel like taking this guy's word for it and going along with the 'Dean sucks' bandwagon.

The only people I see praising Dean are endorsers and Dimebag fans.

HeavyMetal4Ever · #26 01-21-2010, 07:25 AM

I must have missed this one the first time 'round. When I saw the thread title I did a spit-take. I really hope it was meant as a rhetorical question.

Never had the chance to try an American made, I hear they are actually quality instruments.

Rock on!

nickcoumbe · #27 01-21-2010, 11:00 AM

The answer is yes, and the same is true for Vai and Satch.

They also make some nice guitars, again like Ibanez.

RedTiger · #28 01-21-2010, 11:53 AM

I don't like Dean. They make their good guitars scarce and flood the market with the low-end stuff, kinda like ESP, only worse since I'd actually buy an LTD but would stay away from a production Dean. The low-end stuff is most of their business, but would it kill them to make the USA stuff more available?

There ARE people out there who would be willing to pay a couple grand for a true Dimebag signature.

radiogalaxy · #29 02-02-2010, 04:04 PM

the guitars are ok... although they often mislead the customer into thinking that you are getting exactly what Dime played on and unfortunately they charge a disgusting amount for those guitars. Yeah, they are totally using his name and his image to market their guitars. After all, who the hell was the one that put Dean guitars back on the map??? I can't think of anyone other than the chick from Heart that used a Dean back in the day. And if anyone else did, nobody remembers. Unfortunately, that's how this world is. So messed up in fact, that the very hero of our debate is now deceased because of the rabid hunger of the world to get over on each other. Very sad, yet we have no choice but to exist and try to be a positive influence while we are here. Even though it might not make any sense, or massive impact to anyone else, we still lived our lives purely.

R.G.

Schwarzwind · #30 03-05-2010, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Holy Katana

Yes. The Dean from Hell plays alright, and I'm sure the USA Razorbacks do, too, but the majority of Dimebag guitars are pure crap. Dime's probably rolling in his grave.

well said,

i had a USA Dean Tribute Razorback RUST...most of its construction is actually pretty good, i might upgrade that to Excellent really...

what i hate about it besides its size and weight (mind you I'm barely 5'5" @ 115lbs).

is the "soft" V neck profile...if you play guitar the "correct" way with your thumb on the back of the neck...you'll quickly find yourself switching from one side of the V to the other...

and that's a comfort no no for me at least...

another thing is the Floyd tremolo...yeah its a floating tremolo...but aren't FR supposed to sit "flush" with the body?

mine couldn't because the fretboard was too thick (plus the jumbo frets) and when i flush the bridge onto the body the strings would be on the frets...

so no go for me there...

i thought its designed that way for dime's signature dime squeals...

but we have lion claws for that!

I'd give the guitar an 8/10.

the finish is AWESOME! closer scrutiny, my wife was able to tell what techniques was used in making the effects on the guitar finish.

its a heavy guitar...in tone and in material...

but if i get to do it again...I'd buy the USA Razorback V with the bloody skull graphics on it...

would fit me better in the same avenue as the Razor Rust,

The korean and chinese made ones (yes chinese makes most of it now)...we'll you might get hurt playing one...the fret job on those are beyond terrible...i almost cut my fingers off playing one.

i can't believe Dave Mustaine put his name on those things...

all in all i don't think making high quality guitars are on the top of Dean's priority (Dean Whore search is).