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View Poll Results: Is the Edge Zero good enough?
Yes, it's good enough! 11 40.74%
No, it's not good enough! 16 59.26%
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Old 11-04-2009, 08:59 AM
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Re: Is the Edge Zero good enough?


Ibanez need to understand the term known as KISS. Keep It Simple, Stupid!

The edge zero is an over-designed, not very well manufactured piece of chinese metal, which was built primarily to save Ibanez a few Yen, while trying to solve "problems" which don't exist. Want a ZPS system which doesn't work properly? I'd rather take my four springs and huge sustain block.
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:36 AM
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Re: Is the Edge Zero good enough?


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It can't do every thing a Floyd or the older edge systems could do....one of the most obvious things are the springs. Want 2, 3, 4, springs? You can't have it with the Edge Zero....you are stuck with two. Not to mention the pathetically small sustain block to accommodate the worthless zps poo etc.
This is like asking Steve Vai what he uses his tremolo for when he plays guitar and him responding "well, I can add springs to it!". I wasn't aware that adding springs to a tremolo was making music.

By "doing" I meant what you can do with it musically. You're talking about a feature or a possible upgrade. You are right though, you cannot add springs to it. However, it does have tension adjustment coupled with the fact that its already on the stiff side (with the ZPS anyway. If someone absolutely hated the idea of the ZPS, I would look elsewhere), so I'm not sure it would even be worthwhile. I've never used my EZ and thought "NEED MOAR SPRINGS!!!". Its usually the other way around.
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Old 11-04-2009, 09:48 AM
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Re: Is the Edge Zero good enough?


Well, the EZ stays in tune... that's all I can say that's good about... appart from the arm holder which is an improvement over previous edges, but I still prefer the OFR holder!
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:16 AM
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Re: Is the Edge Zero good enough?


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This is like asking Steve Vai what he uses his tremolo for when he plays guitar and him responding "well, I can add springs to it!". I wasn't aware that adding springs to a tremolo was making music.

By "doing" I meant what you can do with it musically. You're talking about a feature or a possible upgrade. You are right though, you cannot add springs to it. However, it does have tension adjustment coupled with the fact that its already on the stiff side (with the ZPS anyway. If someone absolutely hated the idea of the ZPS, I would look elsewhere), so I'm not sure it would even be worthwhile. I've never used my EZ and thought "NEED MOAR SPRINGS!!!". Its usually the other way around.
The amount of springs can determine what you can do...especially regarding tuning, string gauge/tension, flutter, etc., issues.

So...I think what I said does apply to what you can do with it musically. JMO.

NEED MOAR SPRINGS!!! RAWWWR!!! LOL!
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:20 AM
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The amount of springs can determine what you can do...especially regarding tuning, string gauge/tension, flutter, etc., issues.

So...I think what I said does apply to what you can do with it musically. JMO.

NEED MOAR SPRINGS!!! RAWWWR!!! LOL!
I can do much more things with an OFR. Nuff said.
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:15 PM
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Re: Is the Edge Zero good enough?


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The amount of springs can determine what you can do...especially regarding tuning, string gauge/tension, flutter, etc., issues.

So...I think what I said does apply to what you can do with it musically. JMO.
That is true. I see what you were meaning. That does contribute to "how you play it"!

I just want to add again for anyone that is reading this and researching that it is imperative that you try the Edge Zero yourself prior to buying. I feel compelled to respond to these Edge Zero threads in an attempt to cut through some of the "absolutes" that people sometime deal in.

The Edge Zero is a servicable tremolo, constructed with a perfectly valid design improvement in an attempt to save money on production costs which will only be passed on to the consumer. With regards to any other product, the average person would tend to see this as a good thing. On Jemsite, amoungst the purists? Not so much. Granted, the Edge Zero could certainly be better. I will freely admit that. There's no harm and no elitism/snobbery in wanting something to be better.

This next part is a bit of a rant, but I'd like to say this just for the benefit of anyone doing serious research who will read this thread.

Why is it important to come to your own conclusions? I recently started playing guitar again after quite a long hiatus. I don't think I even had internet access back when I quit those 10 years ago. Now that I have brpader access to other guitar players beyond just my own neighborhood, and 10 years of internet usage under my belt, I have found the following to be common place, if not totally universally true. No joke, I seriously was NOT expecting this, don't ask me why:

***This isn't meant as disrespect to anyone particular, it is just what I have observed***

1. Guitarists in general are suspicious of change and would be perfectly happy to play the same equipment made 100 years ago when they were teenagers.

2. They're willing to spend thousands on a guitar made to ancient specifications (even if these specifications are flawed) and artificially aged to look like they were thrown from a speeding truck. Even if it isn't a "relic", older = better, no questions asked.

3. They are out of touch with reality. If they want a "Les Paul + Marshall tone", they'll spend thousands on boutique guitars, pickups, pedals, and amps instead of just buying an actual Les Paul and Marshall.

4. They are REALLY out of touch with reality. They don't seem to get that the majority of the guitar market is made up of whining teenagers begging their parents for $600 Epiphone guitars. They will spend in a year more money than some households make in a year to buy every limited edition signature guitar in every color from their favorite brand. Then they complain that their favorite guitar brand is trying to cut corners with a cheaper tremolo, not understanding that its business, baby. You go where the money is -- the mass market, the mass production, the mass of whining teenagers, GC, MF.com, etc., NEVER the niche. Want bleeding-edge ultra high quality? The boutique is that way ->

TLDR version: take guitarists on the internet with a grain of salt. Just like any other consumer on the internet, they are the loud minority. That includes me, too! There is virtually no filter to differentiate between a knowlegable person, a person with an agenda, or somone just pulling stuff out of their rear end.

25 years ago, Japanese guitars were the cheap budgent instruments. Now vintage FujiGen guitars are more and more sought after and people will pay thousands for a Japanese Ibanez. ESP was making the cheaper budget version of the Kramer Baretta in the 80s. Now you can't get an ESP for under $1500 and ESP has their own budget models from Korean and/or Indonesia.

Its 80% perception, 20% reality.

Research, research, research, but use your own 5 senses and good judgement to make the final call.

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Old 11-04-2009, 01:29 PM
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Re: Is the Edge Zero good enough?


^^^^^^The voice of reason, a rare thing on teh interwebz^^^^^
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:49 PM
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^^^^^^The voice of reason, a rare thing on teh interwebz^^^^^
I really, really appreciate that, man! I try. Imbalance is something that I cannot understand.
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Old 11-04-2009, 04:12 PM
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Re: Is the Edge Zero good enough?


I think the rant is 100% accurate but I was hoping to avoid that sort of thing in this thread. Never mind.

But point 4 leads me to where I'm going with the next poll...
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Old 11-04-2009, 07:40 PM
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I think the rant is 100% accurate but I was hoping to avoid that sort of thing in this thread. Never mind.

But point 4 leads me to where I'm going with the next poll...
Sorry man. I'm like the king of thread derailment. I try to keep it in check, but sometimes I'm just full of hot air that has to escape somehow.
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Old 11-05-2009, 02:51 AM
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Re: Is the Edge Zero good enough?


Don't worry about it Bro'

As I said ( and really meant) point 4 was exactly where I wanted this thread to go, hence my next poll...
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Old 11-05-2009, 04:02 AM
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Re: Is the Edge Zero good enough?


Nice post RedTiger. I agree with everything you said.
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Old 11-05-2009, 11:30 AM
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Re: Is the Edge Zero good enough?


My input is based on my REAL world experience.

That said, I agree with a lot of RedTiger's comments.
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