Joe stump Vs Yngwie Malmsteen

[Epicus Furor]

Joe admits when he heard Malmsteens Rising Force back in 83 it was all over, he was completley hooked on this guy and still to this day learns his peices. Not a bad thing, I admire Stump greatly and i have all of his albums but there is no denying that Stump has borrowed greatly from Yngwie as Yngwie did from Blackmore and so on ...

[Epicus Furor]

Q. Every artist who played neoclassical metal after Yngwie Malmsteen’s coming has been inexorably compared to him and you make no exception. How do you feel about it? I believe you really don’t care (and you take it with a lot of irony too) as you even called ex-Malmsteen musicians to play in your own band!

A. It seems only natural that many people compare me to Yngwie. He’s certainly been one of my biggest influences. I started listening to him back in 1983, over 20 years ago and I’ve been hooked ever since. Also many of his influences are also mine as well, whether it’s guitar players like Blackmore, Schenker, Hendrix and Uli-Jon Roth or classical composers like Bach, Paganini, Vivaldi, Mozart or Beethoven. Guitar-wise Yngwie borrowed heavily from both Uli Roth and Ritchie Blackmore

[rivera213]

Yeah. He was & is influenced by him, as well as the composers he mentioned & Blackmore, Schenker, Hendrix, Chastain, Moore, probably Uli Roth too but that doesn't suggest he copied or copies from him. Stump has got better with age & Yngwie has been going down hill since Rising Force.

They're influenced by almost exactly the same people so its hardly suprising they share similarities in their playing. I think they both borrow from the Baroque period, but not from each other. I would think that cos Stump learns Yngwie's **** still, taht would further inhance he wouldn't copy him.

I get pissed off when i come up with something that sounds like anyone. My feelings are "****, that sounds like....".

I dunno, but he hasn't intentionally copied Yngwie's style. Being influenced aint the same as copying.

Stump even done a tribute to Yngwie on Speed Metal Messiah called Unleashing The Fury.

[shredfreak]

Originally Posted by rivera213

Well, yeah that is a great album, but he hasn't got a good conversion rate of albums to good albums.

Rising Force, Marching Out, Trilogy, Magnum Opus & Alchemy.

5 out of 13 studio albums aint that succesful- 38.5%. There's always great playing, but not necessarily great composition.

But that is just your opinion? Right? I like everything from Rising Force to Fire And Ice. I haven't heard much his newer stuff (albums after Fire And Ice) so I don't know if I like them or not. I've heard couple newer song like No Lost Love and Only One and I really like those songs. And I have the new Unleash The Fury album but I haven't listened it that much yet. And Baroque And Roll from Attack is great song too!

[rivera213]

Originally Posted by shredfreak

But that is just your opinion? Right? I like everything from Rising Force to Fire And Ice. I haven't heard much his newer stuff (albums after Fire And Ice) so I don't know if I like them or not. I've heard couple newer song like No Lost Love and Only One and I really like those songs. And I have the new Unleash The Fury album but I haven't listened it that much yet. And Baroque And Roll from Attack is great song too!

Yeah its my opinion, but i would seriosuly start to question the sanity of people who thought albums such as Oddysey were good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's always done good songs, but a good album needs at least half of the songs to be good.

Well, Magnum Opus & Alchemy should be on your buying list!!!!!!!!!!!

[Epicus Furor]

'but i would seriosuly start to question the sanity of people who thought albums such as Oddysey were good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

Oddeysey is an amazing album, great songs, great vocals, killer guitar ..sure it's cheesy but doesn't that just add extra points?

[Epicus Furor]

'Well, Magnum Opus & Alchemy should be on your buying list'

Blitzkreig' off Alchemy is an absolute jem .. both albums are definatley worth buying

[Epicus Furor]

Come on Rivera don't deny you haven't hummed/sang out loud the chorus to Heaven Tonight on the odd occasion

[rivera213]

Originally Posted by Epicus Furor

'but i would seriosuly start to question the sanity of people who thought albums such as Oddysey were good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

Oddeysey is an amazing album, great songs, great vocals, killer guitar ..sure it's cheesy but doesn't that just add extra points?

I'm gonna have to commit you to the nearest mental institute in Chesterfield!!!!!!!!!

[rivera213]

Originally Posted by Epicus Furor

'Well, Magnum Opus & Alchemy should be on your buying list'

Blitzkreig' off Alchemy is an absolute jem .. both albums are definatley worth buying

Blitzkrieg is 1 of my favourite Yngwie songs, well actually its 1 of my favourite songs in general.

[rivera213]

Originally Posted by Epicus Furor

Come on Rivera don't deny you haven't hummed/sang out loud the chorus to Heaven Tonight on the odd occasion

Yes, which is part of the reason i hate that album!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rivera213]

I like the voice of Turner & Boals, just that style aint for me.

I absolutely hate Jeff Scott Soto though. THE worst & most annoying voice i've heard including that **** from the Darkness!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rivera213]

I dunno why Yngwie doesn't like Magnum Opus? That's a very good album. I'm a fan of Joe Stump's Reign of Terror & i like Vescera's voice.

I still would prefer if Yngwie did 100% instrumental albums.

[gitarguy]

Originally Posted by rivera213

How could he copy someone he didn't know existed?

He seems like a copy cos of the timing of released albums.

They don't even sound the same to knowledgeable people of the neoclassical scene.

He fully admits to knowing who Yngwie was as early as 1983 so I think if he was inspired by Yngwie as early as 83 he could have and did copy his style.

You want proof he copied Ynwie look at the inside cover of Joe Stumps Guitar Dominance cd. He is standing in front of a stack of Marshalls with 2- 50 watt heads on each stack, wearing an Yngwie styled puffy pirate shirt, holding a cream colored Yngwie signature strat that even has the same exact white and black strap Yngwie uses.

I am not knocking Joe, I like his music. I own 4 of Joe's cd's and all of Yngwies, but if you can't hear Joe's blatent use of Yngwie's most used licks then you aren't really listening.

[fettouhi]

Originally Posted by Epicus Furor

Come on Rivera don't deny you haven't hummed/sang out loud the chorus to Heaven Tonight on the odd occasion

Riot in the Dungeon is my favorite song currently on that album .

Regards

André