Joe stump Vs Yngwie Malmsteen

[Epicus Furor]

'I absolutely hate Jeff Scott Soto though. THE worst & most annoying voice i've heard including that **** from the Darkness!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

Agreed, Jeff Scott Soto was definatley Yngwies worst I wish Yngwie got David Coverdale one day, that would be swwwweeeeeet!

Riot in the Dungeons has always been a faviroute of mine on Odessey, aswell as Crystal Ball and of course who can forget Rising Force

[Epicus Furor]

There's no denying Joe has some sweet ESP custom axes ...









aswell as a ton of Yngwie and Ritchie sig Fenders, I was talking to Stump a few weeks ago (via email) and he was saying how he's putting forward the idea of having them make an LTD Joe Stump signature. I certainly wouldn't mind having one of those

[rivera213]

Originally Posted by Epicus Furor

There's no denying Joe has some sweet ESP custom axes ...









aswell as a ton of Yngwie and Ritchie sig Fenders, I was talking to Stump a few weeks ago (via email) and he was saying how he's putting forward the idea of having them make an LTD Joe Stump signature. I certainly wouldn't mind having one of those

Yeah, the only problem would be the quality compared to an ESP. I will have a scalloped srtar made in a year's time or so, but with my mods so it'll be a cross between a strat & an Ibanez.

Bad ass.

[rivera213]

Originally Posted by gitarguy

He fully admits to knowing who Yngwie was as early as 1983 so I think if he was inspired by Yngwie as early as 83 he could have and did copy his style.

You want proof he copied Ynwie look at the inside cover of Joe Stumps Guitar Dominance cd. He is standing in front of a stack of Marshalls with 2- 50 watt heads on each stack, wearing an Yngwie styled puffy pirate shirt, holding a cream colored Yngwie signature strat that even has the same exact white and black strap Yngwie uses.

I am not knocking Joe, I like his music. I own 4 of Joe's cd's and all of Yngwies, but if you can't hear Joe's blatent use of Yngwie's most used licks then you aren't really listening.

Well, to me there aren't many similarities between the actual licks Yngwie & Stump use, only the scales. Its like saying 2 baroque composers sound the same. I'm a neoclassical freak & without saying i'm more knowledgeable than anyone else, i can easily distinguish betwenn any 2 guitarists or composers.

Joe was 23 when he heard Yngwie (in Alcatrazz & teeler days), he had been playing for 10 years by then and would've already had his style pretty much defined. Yngwie although inspirational, wouldn't completely change the direction of his playing. Not 1 or even 2 musicians are that inspirational to completely change your style. Not for a genuine musician/artist. For someone like Fred Durst, then obviously he'd change. He'd wear 80's spandex & lipstick if he knew it'd get him a few more dollars!!!!!!!!!!

He got the classical side from Blackmore, not Yngwie.

His clothes in Guitar Dominance are what Blackmore & Uli Roth has wore since the early 70's!!!!! Both Yngwie & Stump copied that dress style & that seems to be THE neoclassical uniform.

I think both looky geeky & i wouldn't be seen dead in them!!! Ha ha. They both more than make up for it with their music.

[gitarguy]

Originally Posted by rivera213

Well, to me there aren't many similarities between the actual licks Yngwie & Stump use, only the scales. Its like saying 2 baroque composers sound the same. I'm a neoclassical freak & without saying i'm more knowledgeable than anyone else, i can easily distinguish betwenn any 2 guitarists or composers.

I am not saying you can't easily distinguish between Joe and Yngwie I think most people fimiliar with thier work could.

Being a neoclassical freak myself when I think of original players I think of Yngwie Malmsteen, Vinnie Moore, Tony MaCalpine, Jason Becker, or Marty Friedman. They had there own style and carved thier own path. Other thean being classicaly influnced none of them sound very much like the other. Joe at least to me Looks and sounds alot like Yngwie. He dosen't sound exactly like Yngwie but obviously heavily influnced by him. I like Joe's Music but comparing him to Yngwie, to me he will always come in second.

[Epicus Furor]

Agreed

[rivera213]

But when i think of someone copying somone else i think first off that it's intentional, and for an example- every band that copied Korn which was blatent copying. The low tuned riffs & choruses with 16th note octave playing that you can easily see was a photocopy of Korn, but obviously not a good one!!!

Becker's Perpetual Burn came out 2 years after Edge of Insanity, Mind's Eye & 4 years after Rising Force and Becker doesn't sound ORIGINAL compared to those artists at all!!! Thats not to say he doesn't have his own sound which is different, but i hear similarities between every neoclassical guitarist. The reason Stump & Yngwie are similar is their influences are pretty much exactly the same. Hendrix, Blackmore, Bach, Paganini. The odds of them sounding similare would be about 4/11.

Friedman aint a neoclassical guitarist by the way. Yngwie also doesn't sound original when you hear Blackmore & Roth's stuff.

Also, i'm suprised no-one mentions Randy Rhoads cos he was doing neoclassical 2 years before Yngwie & Eddie van Halen hinted at it in '77.

I guess no-one is truly original except the first ever musician........

I wonder how Keith Richards is btw?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Epicus Furor]

Have you ever thought maybe Stump even copied Yngwie's influences? I know for me personally when I find a new guitarist, I'll look into who they were/are influenced by and look into those artists aswell, it's a constant musical adventure

[fettouhi]

Originally Posted by Epicus Furor

There's no denying Joe has some sweet ESP custom axes ...









aswell as a ton of Yngwie and Ritchie sig Fenders, I was talking to Stump a few weeks ago (via email) and he was saying how he's putting forward the idea of having them make an LTD Joe Stump signature. I certainly wouldn't mind having one of those

That one with the Floyd is especially nice .

Regards

André

[mi2tom]

Originally Posted by fettouhi

That one with the Floyd is especially nice .

Regards

André

All of them are nice

[gitarguy]

Originally Posted by Epicus Furor

Have you ever thought maybe Stump even copied Yngwie's influences? I know for me personally when I find a new guitarist, I'll look into who they were/are influenced by and look into those artists aswell, it's a constant musical adventure

Exactly what I was thinking.

Yngwie doesn't sound much like Richie or Uli. You can hear an influence but It's not the same musical style at all. Joe and Yngwie are the same musical style.

Good call on Randy Rhoads, he was one of the first.

All the neoclassical players have one thing in comon, classical music, which is why the are all sort of similar. No point in arguing this any further we can just agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by rivera213

I guess no-one is truly original except the first ever musician........

Very true!!

[fettouhi]

Originally Posted by rivera213

Everyone that think Joe intentionally copied Yngwie is a ****sucker. Stump is 3 years older than fat-head Yngwie & was playing neoclassical BEFORE he knew Yngwie existed & BEFORE Yngwie was seriously playing.

Stump's 2 main influences are Jimi Hendrix & Ritchie Blackmore & you can hear those influences.

His other influences are- Bach, Paganini, Gary Moore, David Chastain, Yngwie (of course only when he heard him in the alcatrazz & Steeler days).

The reason people say he copied Yngwie is because his debut- Guitar Dominance came out in 1993 when he was quite old compared to Yngwie's Rising Force which come out when he was young (21) & Stump would've been 24.

I don't believe anyone should change their style cos someone else is doing it too when neither of you knew the other person existed!!!!!!!

Yngwie & Stump both created their styles (which are very different) regardless of each other & its a result of loving classical & Jimi Hendrix.

Stump is alot more melodic, alot faster, a better musician, ahs a much more metal tone with more gain, bass & mids and can actually play the same **** live as he does in the studio. He only does stuff 1-3 times so that shows his class.

To MaliciousSteve- great name by the way, but Stump used Marshall because of the 70's sound of Hendrix, scalloped guitars cos he wanted more string control & vibrato & he has always dressed like that. Its the neoclasssical uniform & i think Blackmore started it. As a starry-eyed kid Stump & Yngwie obviousl both copied him.

Stump's music aint really that close to Yngwie's- i've got EVERY album of both artist (and other neoclassical legends) and i can tell you in a 2 second clip who is who & possibly which song it is (although thats due to the fact that i'm a sad bastard!!!).

I don't really blame anyone for thinking Stump copied Yngwie cos of the dates of their albums are far between & on the face of it i even thought it was a bit suspect, but i'm a Stump freak now, have done by research & know probably TOO MUCH information on him & i know he is original, as is Yngwie. Great minds think alike is the case.

Stump is a great person people. JemWielder is definately right about that!!! He's sent me some **** & i've been in contact with him through e-mails and he actually answers his fans unlike most!!!!! He sent me some cool signed photos, a couple of licks that i didn't have, some signature picks to my gaff. He's proper "New Yawk". I hadn't heard him speak til i saw his Chop Builder dvd & thats a new yoork accent!!!!!!!!!! We're both Yankees (MLB) & Giants (NFL) fans so we automatically have a couple of things in common. I don't think that how nice a person should have a bearing on good a musician they are, but it definately has a bearing who is more deserving of my money!!!!!! Both are greatful for their fans, don't get me wrong. Yngwie, although he's an arrogant bastard, doesn't take anything for granted i feel.

Although Stump is my ****ing idol, i love alot of artists- way too many to name here, but i have to mention a few of my shred influences: Vinnie Moore, Tony MacAlpine, Chris Impellitteri, George Bellas in the neoclassical scene & also the new breed shredders- Matthew Mills (Neoclassical), Rusty Cooley, Theodore Ziras (Neoclassical), Elias Viljanen & Shane Gibson.

A shout out to myman- mi2tom for getting my ass here. He new a Stump poll was gonna get my attention!!!!!!!!!!!

When did Stump release his first album?

Regards

André

[rivera213]

Originally Posted by Epicus Furor

Have you ever thought maybe Stump even copied Yngwie's influences? I know for me personally when I find a new guitarist, I'll look into who they were/are influenced by and look into those artists aswell, it's a constant musical adventure

Na cos he was into Blackmore & Hendrix when he was 13.

[rivera213]

Stump released his debut- Guitar Dominance in 1993. He was 33 at the time. Very late to release a debut, but Lane released Powers of Ten when he was 29 although he did have Black Oak Arkansas.

[fettouhi]

Originally Posted by rivera213

Stump released his debut- Guitar Dominance in 1993. He was 33 at the time. Very late to release a debut, but Lane released Powers of Ten when he was 29 although he did have Black Oak Arkansas.

Yngwie's earliest recordings are from 1980 I think and those where released as "The Genesis" in 2002 or 2004 I can't remember which exactly. On these recordings you can hear his neo-classical approach though he still has a lot of Blackmore in him at that time. He isn't really doing all the sweep picking yet on that recording but you hear the riffs for Krakatau, Memories etc.

Regards

André