Rock vs Jazz virtuosos - Page 3

Flobanez · #31 05-18-2005, 09:42 PM

OK, this guy rips,man. He is awesome

Ridiculously fast.

Jebus · #32 05-18-2005, 10:14 PM

I agree. I didn't understand why he wasn't even mentioned before. His skills surpasses pretty much every guitarist that I've seen play. Have you gotten to the Purple Haze video yet? It's mind blowing.

pawel · #33 05-19-2005, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jebus

I agree. I didn't understand why he wasn't even mentioned before. His skills surpasses pretty much every guitarist that I've seen play. Have you gotten to the Purple Haze video yet? It's mind blowing.

I hope you guys have checked out The Shawn Lane Forum. Shawn was absolutely unbelievable, amazing player that passed way too soon.

I have a lot of Shawn's music, I would recommend you get some of his albums with Jonas Hellborg (like "Time is the Enemy" or "Personae") or the Paris DVD if you don't mind Indian music element.

lloop9 · #34 05-19-2005, 05:36 AM

Jebus, thks for vids! Shawn is unreal man! Wat is the guy made of? Very tastful even when he steps on the pedal.

VanWyck, this poll is actually to gather opinions on listener's preference, and by limiting the "one choice only" factor, I trying see WHAT is/are the defining factor/s that prompt one to choose one style over the other.

Take it as a coke or pepsi "there can be only one" poll.

Flobanez · #35 05-19-2005, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jebus

I agree. I didn't understand why he wasn't even mentioned before. His skills surpasses pretty much every guitarist that I've seen play. Have you gotten to the Purple Haze video yet? It's mind blowing.

Oh yeah, Awesome! Probably the best cover I've heard of Purple Haze.

shredfreak · #36 05-23-2005, 03:42 PM

I respect them all because they are better than me but my favourites are rock guitar players.

Flobanez · #37 05-23-2005, 07:23 PM

One thing I like about Eric Johnson is that he is kind of old-fashioned. It bugged me at first that he never did anything heavier than overdrive. He is no heavier than rock. thats for sure.
Now, I respect him. It would be cool if he picked up a 7-string.

pawel · #38 05-23-2005, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Flobanez

One thing I like about Eric Johnson is that he is kind of old-fashioned. It bugged me at first that he never did anything heavier than overdrive. He is no heavier than rock. thats for sure.
Now, I respect him. It would be cool if he picked up a 7-string.

You like the fact that he is old-fashioned and you want him to pick up a 7?

I don't think being old-fashioned has anything to do with amount of gain you play with - there are some players who play things with clean tone that can be completely out there. I understand what you mean though.

Btw, being an EJ fan, have you ever heard any of his work with the Electromagnets?

Flobanez · #39 05-23-2005, 08:32 PM

Constantly. I 've been exploring EJ for years now. In fact I've made too many statements in "defending" Johnson on other threads.
I posted a live clip of him in 1973 when he was 19 with the Electromagnets, and nobody seemed to care. Oh well.....
Also Im a proud member of his forum. Also. Im going to see him Live this July! Cant wait.

I like that he is kind of old fashioned but would like to see him explore the 7.

I meant 7-string Jazz and Blues playing with a little heaviness. Baritone Blues.

-Die-hard EJ fan.

lloop9 · #40 05-23-2005, 09:32 PM

Sorry for my ignorance but EJ palyed since 1973? Wow, he's come a long way..... but I wld have expected more studio albums from him.

I still love Cliffs of Dover.

Flobanez · #41 05-23-2005, 09:35 PM

Even before that, man. He goes way back.

Agreed on "Cliffs"

here's a video of him back in '73 ,19 years old, with the Electromagnets.-
http://www.ericjohnson.com/electroma...unds/minus.mov

little wing · #42 05-24-2005, 08:02 AM

man.. i love both of them. sheesh... but my vote goes to rock virtuosos anyway.. a guitar sounds more like a rock "thing" haha...

little wing · #43 05-24-2005, 08:05 AM

wow! that movie was goooood. sure he was only 19 at that time? man.

lloop9 · #44 05-24-2005, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Flobanez

Even before that, man. He goes way back.

Agreed on "Cliffs"

here's a video of him back in '73 ,19 years old, with the Electromagnets.-
http://www.ericjohnson.com/electroma...unds/minus.mov

Thks for the movie man, it was nice. Hes grown so much since in terms of music. I heard he's got a new album out soon or something like that?

spencer096 · #45 05-24-2005, 10:36 AM

first post here in a long while...

im not a big EJ fan at all...i just think that his stuff is too forced and contrived. being a jazz dude, i kinda like the spontaneous feeling that jazz and 'fusion' (hate the term because everything is a fusion, jazz/rock is a much more accurate description) thrives on. EJ's stuff just seems TOO perfect. his live cd is ok, some cool stuff, but its just not my bag. also, EJ doesnt play 'jazz' per se. its 'jazzy' sounding, esp east meets wes on Ah Via Musicom, but he is definately not a jazz player. Robben Ford is more of a real jazz player, and i dig him a lot more than EJ. not sayin EJ sucks tho, cuz he definately has skill and that tone is just pants-wetting good.

in reference to the poll. metheny and vai are two of my heroes, and id hate to knock either. however, in terms of improvisatory brilliance and mastery of the MUSIC (not the instrument, im not talking technique or chops) metheny is heads and shoulders above pretty much anyone on the planet. vai is pure brilliance both in terms of musical expression and total mastery of the guitar. both vai's and metheny's compositions are amazing BUT if they were goin head to head in some kind of cutting contest, itd be hard for vai to keep up. metheny's ability to carry a theme in his solos and create such tension and release on the spot is just uncanny. vai cannot improvise to the level metheny can.

rock and jazz are two different worlds and its hard to compare. jazz musicians are trained to create music instantaneously, improvisation. is there not a jazz player who isnt a virtuoso? the music requires a musician to be fairly competent in order just to get thru a song. im not saying rock is an inferior genre, its different. its like comparing apples to oranges. could steve vai rip through Giant Steps alongside Metheny and hope to survive? no. could metheny just go balls to the wall next to vai on Audience is Listening? doubtful. its like comparing ferrari's to bentley's. both camps have their own style making them unique from each other.

however, in my biased opinion (being a jazz head and player) that holdsworth, stern and metheny would just annihilate any of those rock virtuosos except for maybe vai and vai gets a pass because he played with zappa.