Would you buy an RG8?

[rivera213]

It's true (unfortunately).

[C.Thep]

Originally Posted by rivera213

It's true (unfortunately).

Sure......

[rivera213]

I don't know if you're taking the piss or not, but if you are then just take a look at the Dean Rusty Cooley Sig AND the Schecter Jeff Loomis sig & you'll end up agreeing with me.

If you're not taking the piss, then no doubt you know what i'm talking about.

[C.Thep]

whatever you say, dude........

You've never played either one of those, and there are already several bad reviews of the Dean.

Schecter 7 strings don't come close in terms of playability to Ibanez. Sure they come with name brand parts, but Id be willing to spend a couple hundred more for a prestige.

[rivera213]

Reviews mean nothing.

You can tell quality a mile off, which the Dean has.

You have to be a good player to play it though since it's designed for shredders pretty much.

Jeff Loomis more than likely played on Broderick's RG 7-String but he still stuck with Schecter. That says something.

Plus extended string players are getting pretty fed up with the continuous use of rosewood from ibanez. It's like the bought in bulk on e-bay & need to get rid of it.

[Unknown Doodl3.2]

Originally Posted by rivera213

Reviews mean nothing.

You can tell quality a mile off, which the Dean has.

You have to be a good player to play it though since it's designed for shredders pretty much.

Jeff Loomis more than likely played on Broderick's RG 7-String but he still stuck with Schecter. That says something.

Broderick owns an RG 7-string... thats says something also

[SonataGuitarist]

Originally Posted by Unknown Doodl3.2

Broderick owns an RG 7-string... thats says something also

Nicely done

Preference is preference, now and forever.

I think they both rock!

[rivera213]

Originally Posted by Unknown Doodl3.2

Broderick owns an RG 7-string... thats says something also

Well considering Ibanez are meant to be SO much better than any other 7-String company, yet Loomis never thought about switching which he could easily do, says more.

[Drew]

Originally Posted by rivera213

Well considering Ibanez are meant to be SO much better than any other 7-String company, yet Loomis never thought about switching which he could easily do, says more.

You're making a mountain out of a molehill, and this is coming from a guy who plays (and loves) BOTH Schecter and Ibanez.

If the worst you can say about Ibanez is they use rosewood fretboards, well, that's just personal taste, bro. It hardly makes them a "joke." As for Loomis not switching, I'd imagine Schecter is taking VERY good care of him. They grabbed him into their artist roster a few years back, and Nevermore has really begun to take off since then - he's worth a lot to the company, and I'm sure they're making it worth his while to stay with them. Again, I'm not saying they aren't great guitars, because really they are (my Blackjack slays). It's just, you're argument here is absolutely preposterous. Let's kick it back on the other side - Broderick also got to play Loomis's Hellraisers, yet he stuck with his RG. Interesting, isn't it?

[rivera213]

Well you wouldn't switch to a guitar company of the same quality & if Ibanez are meant to be "THE 7-String Company" but Jeff didn't think to switch (And Ibanez could top what he is getting from Schecter, plus he'll sell a fair few guitars), says that they are of equal quality at the least.

Surely IF (Which is a huge if) Ibanez were better, Jeff would switch. But he didn't. Chris didn't switch cos they are probably equal quality, but it doesn't say much about Ibanez's self-declared notiong of king of 7-Strings now does it?

Which backs my point, Loomis' sig which is $899 selling price & for something for the pros- Dean Rusty Cooley sig will put an end to this BS Ibanez are spuing out.

And Rosewood on EVERY production guitar more or less isn't preference, it's cos they are a cheap company who want to make money rather than supply guitarists with guitars.

[Drew]

Originally Posted by rivera213

Well you wouldn't switch to a guitar company of the same quality & if Ibanez are meant to be "THE 7-String Company" but Jeff didn't think to switch (And Ibanez could top what he is getting from Schecter, plus he'll sell a fair few guitars), says that they are of equal quality at the least.

Surely IF (Which is a huge if) Ibanez were better, Jeff would switch. But he didn't. Chris didn't switch cos they are probably equal quality, but it doesn't say much about Ibanez's self-declared notiong of king of 7-Strings now does it?

Which backs my point, Loomis' sig which is $899 selling price & for something for the pros- Dean Rusty Cooley sig will put an end to this BS Ibanez are spuing out.

And Rosewood on EVERY production guitar more or less isn't preference, it's cos they are a cheap company who want to make money rather than supply guitarists with guitars.

Ok, for one, you're making no sense, and this is coming from a guy who LIKES Schecters. Ibanez sucks because they're "equal quality" to Schecter, which is way better than Ibanez because it's just as good as Ibanez? Huh??!

For another, this is an Ibanez player/colletor board. This is straight-up trolling. Grow up.

[rivera213]

It makes complete sense, i'll seperate the points:


1- Ibanez have self-proclaimed "We are THE 7-String Company"

2- Schecter don't claim to be anything of the sort OR a high-end guitar company.

3- One of the most famous 7-string players around- Jeff Loomis, uses the apparently lower level of the 2 companies' guitars (007 elite & hellraiser before his sig)- and has also more than likely played with Broderick's RG.

4- Loomis hasn't switched to Ibanez after playing it & he isn't a two-bob hack who plays some powerchords once in a while so the best playing guitar he wil use. That points to the fact Ibanez 7's can't be better guitars than the checter range of mid-range 7's. Money means nothing to people like him, so you can rule out the "Schecter keeps him happy" notion. Mick Thomson was more than likely on a geat contract @ B.C.Rich, but SWITCHED to Ibanez cos they are better.

5- Jeff's decision highlights that Ibanez's apparently "superior" 7-Strings are of equal or lesser quality than Schecter's mid-range guiatrs.

7- Therefore, Ibanez can't claim anything of the sort to be 1- A high end 7-String company or 2- THE 7-string company.

8- Rusty Cooley now has a sig Dean has most know about. http://youtube.com/watch?v=_j4Gsd7UmpM

9- He used to play Ibanez 7's pretty much exclusively after he got rid of his Jackson.

10- He has switched to Dean cos they are better guitars.

11- Conclusion is his sig will blow any Ibanez "high end" 7 out of the sea cos i trust his ability to be a just show of a guitar's capabilities.

12- Ibanez guitars cost more than Schecter's. For those with little money, they will more than likely buy the Loomis sig ($899). Those who want something other than rosewood (although i can't think why... *sarcasm*) will also look into that guitar.

13- The pro players who can choose ANY guitar they want, will more than likely go for the best playability- which is the Dean. Evidence is the vid.


So essentially what i'm saying is the Ibanez 7's don't hold a candle to either Schecter Jeff Loomis signature or Rusty Cooley's signature Dean.

Ibanez have shot themselves in the foot by failing to capitalise on their reputation (albeit one which is diminishing by the second) as "THE 7-string company"; when the whole world & their wife knew about both Jeff & Rusty's guitars.

The reason they didn't do anything about it by offering at least 1 ebony boarded RG & 1 maple boarded RG is because they are complacent & are resting on their laurels which will come back to bite them in the arse when more players move away from Ibanez & go to Dean, Schecter, ESP, Jacksoon & all the other companies who make better 7's.

Anyone who WANTS a rosewood boarded RG can go for a Schecter anyway which is of equal quality but cheaper.

Also, i'd like to point out my main guitar is an Ibanez RG1550 which i am in love with, plays like a dream, so i am an Ibanez player. Hopefully soon i will have another RG & will be a collector (of limited capacity).

I'm not "trolling" at all, but i know some Ibanez folk look on this forum & i am stating what i view to be a valid opinion. I don't think it's immature to voice an opinion. Or maybe it is to an american?....

[jim777]

Originally Posted by rivera213

Well you wouldn't switch to a guitar company of the same quality & if Ibanez are meant to be "THE 7-String Company" but Jeff didn't think to switch (And Ibanez could top what he is getting from Schecter, plus he'll sell a fair few guitars), says that they are of equal quality at the least.

Surely IF (Which is a huge if) Ibanez were better, Jeff would switch. But he didn't. Chris didn't switch cos they are probably equal quality, but it doesn't say much about Ibanez's self-declared notiong of king of 7-Strings now does it?

Which backs my point, Loomis' sig which is $899 selling price & for something for the pros- Dean Rusty Cooley sig will put an end to this BS Ibanez are spuing out.

And Rosewood on EVERY production guitar more or less isn't preference, it's cos they are a cheap company who want to make money rather than supply guitarists with guitars.

You do understand that big endorsees are actually paid, right? If Schecter pays Loomis through the nose you do you think that won't have an effect on his decisions? If his choice is take a free Ibanez from the custom shop once every two months (but no sig model or cash), or, take the sig model and 50 bucks off of every one sold...you don't think these points come into play for big endorsers?

[jim777]

Originally Posted by rivera213

It makes complete sense, i'll seperate the points:


1- Ibanez have self-proclaimed "We are THE 7-String Company"

I didn't see that ad?

Originally Posted by rivera213

2- Schecter don't claim to be anything of the sort OR a high-end guitar company."

I'm guessing there's a point in there... Schecter has an LA custom shop, and also cheaper instruments. Of course they want to be seen as capable of making extremely high quality axes! Note the identical headstock shapes of the custom shop and Korean guitars.

Originally Posted by rivera213

3- One of the most famous 7-string players around- Jeff Loomis, uses the apparently lower level of the 2 companies' guitars (007 elite & hellraiser before his sig)- and has also more than likely played with Broderick's RG.

Lots of folks like the Schecter 7s, and like the much thicker than Ibanez neck profiles they sport as well. But, you are assuming he's playing strictly Korean guitars, when that might not be the case. Most companies won't send out artist models for possible sigs that come off the assembly line.

Originally Posted by rivera213

4- Loomis hasn't switched to Ibanez after playing it & he isn't a two-bob hack who plays some powerchords once in a while so the best playing guitar he wil use. That points to the fact Ibanez 7's can't be better guitars than the checter range of mid-range 7's. Money means nothing to people like him, so you can rule out the "Schecter keeps him happy" notion. Mick Thomson was more than likely on a geat contract @ B.C.Rich, but SWITCHED to Ibanez cos they are better.

Hardly anyone switches guitar endorsement companies after 'trying' another guitar. Most endorsers have guitars from more than one company as well (this is so painfully obvious it almost hurts to have to say). As already pointed out, and you would already know if you'd played them both, the Schecter and Ibanez 7's are very different playing guitars. The necks are different, the pickups are different, the woods are different. There lot's of room for personal preference here. "Money means nothing to people like him" :lol Money means something to everyone. A ridiculous notion prima facie. Popularity doesn't equal quality, and the world don't move to the beat of just one drum, etc.

Originally Posted by rivera213

5- Jeff's decision highlights that Ibanez's apparently "superior" 7-Strings are of equal or lesser quality than Schecter's mid-range guiatrs.

It does nothing of the sort.

Originally Posted by rivera213

7- Therefore, Ibanez can't claim anything of the sort to be 1- A high end 7-String company or 2- THE 7-string company.

I guess they'll have to change all their ads now

Originally Posted by rivera213

8- Rusty Cooley now has a sig Dean has most know about. http://youtube.com/watch?v=_j4Gsd7UmpM

It's widely known to Ibanez players, 7 string players, and anyone else paying attention that Rusty was NEVER going to get a sig model from Ibanez. Which is why he went to Dean in the first place. Rusty is a killer player, and is also evidently a very nice guy. He is not a proven seller of instruments, and didn't show what the suits at Ibanez felt was potential to sell either, and that's what gets you a sig deal from a big company. It goes back to the money, as nearly all endorsements do.

Originally Posted by rivera213

9- He used to play Ibanez 7's pretty much exclusively after he got rid of his Jackson.

He kept the Jackson for a while after he hooked up with Ibanez, and he sold the Jackson, he didn't 'get rid of' it. He sold the Conkilin to the highest bidder as well. I guess Schecter and Dean are better than Conklins too?

Originally Posted by rivera213

10- He has switched to Dean cos they are better guitars.

Yeah, the sig model had nothing to do with it

Originally Posted by rivera213

11- Conclusion is his sig will blow any Ibanez "high end" 7 out of the sea cos i trust his ability to be a just show of a guitar's capabilities.

Love the logic there.

Originally Posted by rivera213

12- Ibanez guitars cost more than Schecter's. For those with little money, they will more than likely buy the Loomis sig ($899). Those who want something other than rosewood (although i can't think why... *sarcasm*) will also look into that guitar.

True. I guess congratulations are in order? I guess you should tip off Howe and Morse and Vai and Satch and everyone else playing rosewood that they're missing out.

Originally Posted by rivera213

13- The pro players who can choose ANY guitar they want, will more than likely go for the best playability- which is the Dean. Evidence is the vid.

yawn

Originally Posted by rivera213

So essentially what i'm saying is the Ibanez 7's don't hold a candle to either Schecter Jeff Loomis signature or Rusty Cooley's signature Dean.

Ibanez have shot themselves in the foot by failing to capitalise on their reputation (albeit one which is diminishing by the second) as "THE 7-string company"; when the whole world & their wife knew about both Jeff & Rusty's guitars.

The reason they didn't do anything about it by offering at least 1 ebony boarded RG & 1 maple boarded RG is because they are complacent & are resting on their laurels which will come back to bite them in the arse when more players move away from Ibanez & go to Dean, Schecter, ESP, Jacksoon & all the other companies who make better 7's.

Anyone who WANTS a rosewood boarded RG can go for a Schecter anyway which is of equal quality but cheaper.

Also, i'd like to point out my main guitar is an Ibanez RG1550 which i am in love with, plays like a dream, so i am an Ibanez player. Hopefully soon i will have another RG & will be a collector (of limited capacity).

I'm not "trolling" at all, but i know some Ibanez folk look on this forum & i am stating what i view to be a valid opinion. I don't think it's immature to voice an opinion. Or maybe it is to an american?....

You are either too young to have taken an intro to logic type of course or a blatant troll. And, that last shot at Drew was unnecessary and uncalled for. If you want to play like that, you can do it somewhere else.

jim

[Demiurge]

Yikes, rosewood may be common, but that doesn't make it cheap or horrible or worth the vitriol that's been put forth.

As a precaution, though, folks, try to keep planks of rosewood away from infants, as the wood may try to suffocate them as they sleep.