2005 'Bad Horsie' and fixed-bridge model (confirmed by Vai)

[dex]

What you are forgeting is that for me both Jackson and Ibanez are imported guitars and comparing prices I have noticed that in general Japanese made things here are at least 1/3 cheaper than equivalent USA made things.
If Jackson can offer 50 finishes (not on all models) and hard case with every USA guitar why can't Ibanez.
I don't realy want to turn this thread into something else but making 5 demo jems and bringing them to Winter NAMM seems like a no brainer.
Offering JCustoms worldwide seems like a no brainer either - do it through a special order/delivery system if they are scared that the demand won't be big enough but I can't see what's stopping Ibanez from including 15 JCustoms (bought and paid for by the dealers) in their monthly USA shipment.

Also when you see that a Japanese made 50's Reissue strat with Texas Special pickups costs around £300 (58,800JPY), importing it will cost another £100 (19,500JPY) and Import Duty + Value Added Tax on top would be another £90 so it'll work out £490 for me to get this(top) and at the same time the retail price of the Mexican 50's reissue Strat is £500 and you can't find them for less than £400.
I don't know about you but I much rather pay £90 extra and have the super cool "Crafted in Japan" inscription on the neck + the Texas Special pickups and even then at £500 this is still half the price of USA 57 Reissue.

Let's face it - it must be cheaper to make things in Japan than it is in the USA because if it wasn't I don't think Jackson could sell the DK2 for 1/5 of the price their DK1 sells for.
I know most of this is "patriotic tax" but there must be a diference in the manifacturing costs...............there must be.

Anyway, this is matter for another thread but what I do want to stress is that someone like Mikey should get Steve to read this and talk to Ibanez about the posibility of making 5 proto jems and taking them to NAMM.
Maybe Andy can do something about it - even if it's not the jem line - make them take 5 different colour RGs or 2 with matching headstocks or RG made from Ash....................Anything..............Somet hing......... Show us that you apreciate our input because it is us who buy your products.

As a last note I want to add that maybe I'm getting too conservative in my old age but to me the stratiness and simplicity of the 7VSBL make it the only jem I'm prepared to play out with, and that Ibanez should release a few "mature" jems for all us who were in our late teens when Steve got famous in the 80's and who feel too old to be excited about reflective surfaces/gold hardware/neon colours/swirls and other "over the top" atributes that look a bit dated in 2004.
Failing that I'd stick to the top RG models (RG8570M) next time GAS strikes.

ilia

[bobojem]

You points are well taken, and i owe you an apologie 'cause I just totally missed the fact that you're in UK.

[Praetorian]

yes, all points well taken. I also agree with the comment about the 80's colors things. As much as I love the 80's colors and stuff, I'd like to see a more "mature" Jem myself. I mean, as of late, my favorite color Jem is still the VWH. The FP has a certain attractiveness about it, but the simplicity of the VWH just seems more appealing. Although I must say that I would get a JEM77BRCH, but I agree that a more mature Jem, and not just more mature but just different colors in general, would be great. How come you don't see Jems in Candy Red like the JS 1200? I think that might snag me, or just something different and cool looking. I don't know if Ibanez will ever hear our pleas though...

[screamndemon69]

i have read more posts wanting a natural Bad Horsie w/ pyramids than any other model. that seems to be the "no brainer" choice. even if we have to go thru the long hard process of trying to get a limited run of them made - sounds not possible - at least by Ibanez.
if we commisioned a luthier (Jeremy) to build them, Ibanez would surely have thier hand out for a cut of the $. that being the case, they should consider doing it themselves and make ALL the $.
it is a very good idea - limited run of natural BH Jems. maybe 100-150 pcs. i think if it wasn't completely unreasonably priced, that we (Jemsiters) would back the idea with a deposit and that most of the run would be pre-sold before final production even started. this could be an idea that is totally to the left of the 50k.
i would feel like they actually listen to us if they did something that a lot of companies do to show their appreciation to their valued customers - being us. we are their highest customers and i'll bet we (Jemsite collectively) own a vast majority of their nicest made instruments. it would be interesting to see the #'s we actually own as a group of the Japanese made guitars.
i own 5 Japanese Ibanez guitars and 2 of which are Jems.
just a thought.

[marianozz]

Thatd be a guitar id buy new... a natural Bad Horsie...

[bobojem]

Originally Posted by Praetorian

The FP has a certain attractiveness about it

I just wanna say that I absolutely lust over the look of a FP, god I love that finish!!! The fact that it's real cloth makes is even more attractive. I'm a proud owner of a FP and I don't think I'm ever gonna part with it unless i get the custom guitar I describe in another section of this forum . The gold of the VWH never really got me although I was very impressed when i saw it for the first time. I just wish the FP had AANJ. I approached a few luthiers about a modification and all told me that it would be unstable after the mod and the finish will have to be redone. Doesn't Flo have a modified neck joint from original to AANJ? How is that stable?

[hamand]

Originally Posted by Algiman

Could we get 25 people on this site to agree on anything?

I disagree, I reckon we could.

[dot-dot-dot]

Originally Posted by hamand

I disagree, I reckon we could.

No we couldn't.

[Two hands31]

Originally Posted by dot-dot-dot

No we couldn't.

45 of us agreed here: http://www.jemsite.com/phpbb/viewtop...ote=viewresult

[jim777]

We were getting close to a DNA swirled Universe for awhile, then it sort of fell apart. That would have been a non-Ibanez EKG/LGM/ATD combination effort, but as has been noted before, an expensive swirl sight unseen leaves people a bit cold. I recall that Ibanez said they might do 75 guitars, but I don't think we ever got anywhere with that. At this point, I'd personally be happy with a maple board J-Custom if I could play it before buying it, like the 8570M (I think?).

jim

[Algiman]

Originally Posted by Two hands31

45 of us agreed here: http://www.jemsite.com/phpbb/viewtop...ote=viewresult

That didn't cost us any money!

[jemaholic]

If you want an idea of a fixed-bridge Jem go watch the '03 G3 tour with Yngwie. Steve is second after Joe and starts his set with the triple-neck.
The top neck is a Jem 12 string with fixed bridge, middle is conventional VWH, and the bottom is a VWH fretless with fixed bridge.

....just a comment: he plays some of the fastest and tastiest stuff I've ever heard or seen in that opening piece with the triple neck....OMG ...and he's sitting down the whole time.

Freakin guy never ceases to amaze me........

[wilch]

Wow, haven't posted in a very long time.
So you guys are still speculating ay...


(sigh)When will Ibanez start listening to Ibanez freaks (us) and stop trying to impress other people?

wil..

[gash]

well, i searched and found no results for this...

the tech admin at vai.com said this "...the code for this one appears to be Jem77BRCH (Black Reverse Chrome)."

link to thread.

http://www.vai.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8263&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75

in another thread mikey says the new dimarzio pic shows the final production model, and the price will be slightly higher than a VWH.

[Algiman]

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