2005 'Bad Horsie' and fixed-bridge model (confirmed by Vai)

[AndersPGM]

Originally Posted by davester1234

d -d -d -d - ditto!

ditto

[Praetorian]

I've been waiting for the mirrored jem for a while, I hope it comes out good. In all reality, it probably will be a glorified DBK seeing as it would be a lot easier and cheaper. 7vwh jems have the alder with basswood laminates so the paint won't have a texture to it, but I doubt Ibanez would want to spend that much effort in making the bad horsie out of alder, especially with all the the trouble they've been having with this finish to begin with. I would like to see it with a chrome/mirror vine rather than dots though. I mean, I know that the one Steve plays has the laser dots, but there's nothing wrong with wishful thinking . Anyway, I guess I'll be looking forward to it coming out. But what if it comes out and it sucks? I highly doubt it will, but still...I'm going to have to play it before I think about buying it. As far as the hardtail Jem...I think it's a waste of time. If they really wanted to push hardtails, they should release an RG hardtail rather than try and stamp a name on it (even if it is Vai's). I'm with Andelusion...there isn't a song Steve has composed (except for say...Sisters) that you can play on a hardtail correctly. And I really do try to play Vai songs on my hardtail, but it just doesn't sound right. I think locking trems are more fun anyway. One more thing though...is there any more news on what kind of pickups it might have? I mean...what the heck could DiMarzio and Steve be putting out that hasn't been achieved already? Evos are the lead pickups, Breeds are the milder ones, could the bad horsie pickup be more of a crunch pickup than a lead one? Who knows.

[Grev]

This is nice, and we'll have to see the price tag!

[Jeff]

I was looking forward to getting a new JEM with a vibrato unit on here, but I guess that's not happening. Oh well, that's ok, the world doesn't revolve around me. I'll still probably try to get one though.

[Two hands31]

Originally Posted by Jeff

I was looking forward to getting a new JEM with a vibrato unit on here, but I guess that's not happening. Oh well, that's ok, the world doesn't revolve around me. I'll still probably try to get one though.

The "Bad Horsie" JEM won't be hardtail.

[Two hands31]

Btw, why does everyone hate the DBK? And why does everyone think that the DBK and the new Mirror JEM (if it's a DBK replacement) are inferior to the VWH and VSBL and others?

[matt_cater]

from what i've read on jemsite people seem to think the DBK's textured finish is not very good. and the "screw-head" inlays look really cheap

[Two hands31]

Originally Posted by matt_cater

from what i've read on jemsite people seem to think the DBK's textured finish is not very good. and the "screw-head" inlays look really cheap

And? That's all appearance. That has nothing to do with quality. The Bad Horsie JEM would have a mirror top and black back, no textured finish. And we don't even know what the inlays would be like. So if it is a DBK replacement (as in, price range) what's bad about that? I for one would like a great guitar at a low price, but maybe some people refuse to buy guitars under a certain price range?

[The_Grindfiend]

Originally Posted by RCB

Why is that so? Says who? Dont you think that has to do with personal tastes mostly?

I can say, with out a doubt, that a mahogany fixed bridge neckthrough has much more sustain and better bass frecuencies than a bolt on. Plus you have better acces to the upper frets.

Wich are the advantages of the bolt on exactly? I own 7 bolt on guitars and only 3 neckthough. So I m not biased at all.

I wont say that a neckthrough is a better guitar than a set neck or a bolt on, but I can point out certain advantages of the neckthrough.

Wich one is better? it depends on other factors, personal tastes, etc, etc.

The whole "neck-throughs have better sustain" argument is really a bunch bull&$%^. It doesn't really matter how the neck is attached to the body (except perhaps in the case of set necks, which probably sustain less) as long as the neck pocket is a tight fit. Bolt-ons, however, are easier to fix/modify, and sound better to me, since the bulk of the guitar isn't just one big slab of maple.

[The_Grindfiend]

Originally Posted by Two hands31

Btw, why does everyone hate the DBK? And why does everyone think that the DBK and the new Mirror JEM (if it's a DBK replacement) are inferior to the VWH and VSBL and others?

Yes, the screwhead inlays are really lame. However, that's the only thing I don't like about the DBK, besides the price. The neck on it is great.

[Two hands31]

Originally Posted by The_Grindfiend

Yes, the screwhead inlays are really lame. However, that's the only thing I don't like about the DBK, besides the price. The neck on it is great.

You don't like the price? What's wrong with the price?

[The_Grindfiend]

It's too expensive.

[Two hands31]

Originally Posted by The_Grindfiend

It's too expensive.

Ah, ok, I can agree with that

[RCB]

The whole "neck-throughs have better sustain" argument is really a bunch bull&$%^. It doesn't really matter how the neck is attached to the body (except perhaps in the case of set necks, which probably sustain less) as long as the neck pocket is a tight fit. Bolt-ons, however, are easier to fix/modify, and sound better to me, since the bulk of the guitar isn't just one big slab of maple.

Well, let me correct you. A set neck is very similar to a neckthough. When you glue 2 pieces of wood toghether (as in a set neck) it acts as one piece of wood. A neck through or a set neck has MUCH better sustain than a bolt on. There is something to have in mind though. If the guitars is heavily routed and with a floating trem, then much of that improved sustain will be lost. Thats why i said I liked to see a fixed bridge neckthrough.

Its OK if you dont know much abouth luthiery, but dont be closed minded to learn something.

Just in this post I learned that a bolt on has better harmonic response, wich i didnt know. Its probably because (im guessing here) bolt on guitars has much less bottom end, so the higher frecuencies trend to "come out" more. But its just a guess.

By the way, I never had to replace a neck on a bolt on or fix a neck on a neckthrough, so I dont think thats and advantage for the bolt on.

You should really try a neckthrough and a set neck with the same setup you use with your bolt on in order to have good comparison.

[RCB]

The DBK has a cheap look overall. The screw heads are also in the BSB and nobody thinks it looks cheap.