2005 'Bad Horsie' and fixed-bridge model (confirmed by Vai)

[lennartengel]

Isn't there a possibility that this bad horsie jem has something to do with the 50k aniversary jem? If true i'ts gonna be extremely overpriced, to bad...
As for know i wouldn't even consider buying a 7vwh, although i think it's one of the most beautiful instruments. Unfortunately als way overpriced in Europe

[Artist]

The picture doesn't lie, and neither do I.

Steve did play an edge pro VSBL, he had 2 on stage as backups. He only used one for one song, which was Kill The Guy With The Ball at the end of the orchestral set (this was the only song in the set he played in). For the guitar half of the show it was all the regulars.

[Praetorian]

I only hope that some day I'll be able to see Vai perform either in concert or for a demo or something. I don't care for what, I'd just like to see him. But as far as this problem goes, I seriously doubt Steve has taken into consideration the fact that Ibanez guitars now have non-locking studs. This is why people like Rich are so good to have around, because he knows what he's doing and takes little stuff like this into consideration rather than masking the attempt Ibanez is making to save a few pennies. And aren't we all glad he knows what he's doing! But the answer to the question, no, the Bad Horsie won't have locking studs because no other Jem has them at this point.

[nickcoumbe]

Didn't I hear somewhere that the FP is being discontinued?

If that is the case, maybe the bad horsie is a replacement for that.

Just a thought.

[Petie]

Yeah, the FP is over and done with but I don't think this is a 'replacement' really, as it was originally slated to come out while the FP was still being made last year. It's just another evolution of the jem line.

[Praetorian]

yeah, I agree. I mean, the 80's had their bright 777's, the early 90's had the multicolor swirls and floral prints, the 00's (by the way, what are the 00's called, anyone know?) have now had it's DBK and VSBL, and now it's going to get updated with a new one. Hopefully it won't be a limited edition or anything, I hate when that happens. But yes, the Bad Horsie is just another evolution in the line. Not to mention that a mirrored guitar is just kind of cool, very futuristic. Gosh dang it, we've just got to wait for it to come out. Not to mention the fixed bridge model, nobody talks about it anymore, what if it has some crazy new design that nobody knows about yet? New and exciting things are coming.

[Alex J]

Originally Posted by Praetorian

I only hope that some day I'll be able to see Vai perform either in concert or for a demo or something. I don't care for what, I'd just like to see him. But as far as this problem goes, I seriously doubt Steve has taken into consideration the fact that Ibanez guitars now have non-locking studs.... But the answer to the question, no, the Bad Horsie won't have locking studs because no other Jem has them at this point.

During the interview that prompted this chat thread (see first posting), we posed to Steve the question why, exactly, he doesn't use Edge Pros in his guitars. Without trying to relay too much of the printed interview here in this thread Steve explained, rather innocently and candidly, something along the lines of "well, my guitars are kinda old" and, in the same breath, "I kinda break tremolos once every year and half...so I guess I might try one of those 'Lo-Pros' next time around" in Evo, Flo, or whatever. Or something to that effect...

Weird, eh? You see, Steve seemed to get the Edge, Lo-Pro Edge and Edge Pro mixed up during the interview. It occured to me that not only does Steve not realise the implications of (correct me if I'm wrong guys) the Edge Pro design not a direct replacement fit into Evo's or Flo's trem cavity or post positioning, but he doesn't really care enough to know one trem design from another.

Point is, if anyone is fishing for some deep arcane reason why Steve uses Edge and Lo-Pro over the newer Edge Pro, I'll tell you right now:

Steve...doesn't...really...care!

His overall response to this line of gear techo questioning is something like "well, I went about designing the details of the instrument (Jem) with Ibanez (ages ago), and then I simply forgot about the details. I'm not really into the gear side of things."

I was kinda shocked about this, to be honest, but the facts support it. There's a good reason why he doesn't currently use Edge Pro equipped guitars: because he still uses mostly old Jems: Evo, Flo and a back-up of each on stage.

Alex J

[Alex J]

Oh yeah, and I'll call the 00's 'the naughties'

[whatshisname]

Just goes to show, that if you just concentrate on playing, that it really doesn't make that much of a difference.

I bet that if Mr. Vai, for whatever reason, had to use a Jem Jr. 333 at a show, that he'd use the guitar and would still be brilliant. And guess what? NOBODY except for us guitar geeks would ever know the difference.

Yes, even without locking studs! GASP!

I think that alot of people are making a bigger deal out of this than it really is. JMHO, anyway.

[dex]

Originally Posted by whatshisname

I bet that if Mr. Vai, for whatever reason, had to use a Jem Jr. 333 at a show, that he'd use the guitar and would still be brilliant. And guess what? NOBODY except for us guitar geeks would ever know the difference.

I beg to differ.
7VWH with locking studs, EDGE bridge and Thomas Nordegg at his side and it still goes out of tune in 2-3 songs.
Give him a normal non-locking stud or TRS bridge and listen how it goes out of tune in 30sec flat.
It's alright for us who just jam at home but when you are the kind of player that touches the trem arm every 5 sec, have a drafty venue, thousands of watts of lights, 6 people on stage and 2000 people infront of you - good luck keeping that 333 in tune.

Also about the EDGE Pro not being a direct replacement - no one's tried it yet and when you look at the pics and compare it looks like it will fit.
Edge Pro guitar might not fit EDGE (or Lo Pro) because of the route but the Edge Pro will go into old EDGE route - which is what Steve needs anyway.

There is too much speculation in this thread and people like Rich, Butch and Andy (who know) are keeping it quiet but take it from me - this IS the new DBK.
Basswood body, 3 piece maple/bubinga wizard neck, rosewood fretboard with dots or philips dots, chrome hardware, black DiMarzio H/S/H pickups, black finish, reflective top, smoked miror pickguard, front routed.
The new DBK - expect it to list at $100 more than the DBK now.

ilia

[jemsite]

the edge/lopro wont intonate properly in an edge-pro body guitar.

unless the mirror jem were to have all the features Vai's has, which is very unlikely given the company selling it, it has little choice than to be lower cost than the VWH... glen

[whatshisname]

Originally Posted by dex

I beg to differ.
7VWH with locking studs, EDGE bridge and Thomas Nordegg at his side and it still goes out of tune in 2-3 songs.
Give him a normal non-locking stud or TRS bridge and listen how it goes out of tune in 30sec flat.
It's alright for us who just jam at home but when you are the kind of player that touches the trem arm every 5 sec, have a drafty venue, thousands of watts of lights, 6 people on stage and 2000 people infront of you - good luck keeping that 333 in tune.
ilia

Well, He used "normal non-locking stud" trems for years, before Ibanez came up with the idea, or even the Edge itself. He might not have stayed in tune as well as he does with the locks, but he got along just fine. I think he'd do alright.

By the way, I am far from being a "just jam at home" guy, and I've had to use several cheapo Floyd knockoffs live over the years. Sure, some of them were worse than others, but when it came down to it, and I didn't have a choice in the matter(main guitar was down/had to borrow a friends guitar for backup/ect...) I made it through the shows alive.

I EVEN HAD TO USE A KAHLER ONCE! I had to lay off of the trem during THAT show.

[Rich]

JEM77BRCH

[jono]

Which stands for...?

[dex]

Rich - does that mean that it's going to be backrouted/clear pickguard thing then???

ilia