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Old 01-17-2007, 04:19 PM
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Re: Complain to Steve about the JEM/UV LINEUP here (no long winded rants elsewhere)


sThe current UV is great; it's just a bit lonely I think. If he doesn't play them, there's no good reaon not to change the board to ebony, either. I know it isn't Steve's fave fretboard wood, but it would look better than the rosewood on this guitar and the added brighness might be nice on the 7 as well.
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Old 01-17-2007, 04:25 PM
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Re: Complain to Steve about the JEM/UV LINEUP here (no long winded rants elsewhere)


I think the main problem with the JEM line is the variety of instruments that have been made :

- basswood or alder body
- maple or rosewood or ebony fretboard
- Breeds, Pafs or Evos

and that's all... (I don't mention different finitions, because finition is not on its own able to motivate a buy for me)

I think some other Signature lines have a greater diversification :

JS : basswood or mahogany / fixed bridge or floating floyd or fixed floyd / P90 style, Fred, Paf pro or Paf Joe
PGM : RG shape or talman shape / reversed headstock or not / lots of pups configurations / fixed bridge or not

I think it would be really cool to see a mahogany jem, a jemocaster like the one Steve has, maybe some new ideas for inlays (vine becomes a little boring, especially when you see the ones they make on JCs)
I think it would be cool to have a kind of blues machine JEM, a kind of heavy metal JEM... but maybe Steve himself doesn't need these instruments and doesn't want to assume promotion for these ones.
But in that case, why would he be interested in promoting something like the new black 77V which doesn't bring anything new except a higher price.

And last thing : the price of JEMs are going crazy.
we can now afford a new one in Europe ?
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Old 01-17-2007, 04:31 PM
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Re: Complain to Steve about the JEM/UV LINEUP here (no long winded rants elsewhere)


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He didn't change the title, Dee. He added a Bold clarification at the bottom of the post trying to avoid a repeat 20th thread!

It's no surprise that you'd be VERY vocal in this thread, Dee
Look, I know I've been up all night and didn't bother sleeping, but I'm pretty sure I'm not going crazy and hallucinating yet. Glen changed the title, I swear. I'm gonna have to write a PM and ask just to be sure now. But I'm too tired. Bah!

Regardless, wasn't I right? This thread isn't about requesting stuff from Ibanez that's not even in the JEM range. Yes! I was right!

But yes brother, some of us won't lay down passively and accept the world as it is, we need change, dammit! Hence: vocal.

Just don't make me start yodeling outside your house at 3 am.

EDIT: Sorry for veering off the rails again.

Move along, move along... there's nothing to see here...

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Re: Complain to Steve about the JEM/UV LINEUP here (no long winded rants elsewhere)


Dear Steve,

Ibanez have already given us an affordable instrument in the shape of the RG350.


In doing so they have continued your original ethos of this range being available to the gigging musician. I am aware that you don't have much control over the price of the Jem range but I do feel you could have at least looked a little harder at the above image and been a little more creative than to give your fans this.


Forgive me for being so forward as to say that I am dissapointed that a man known for his creativity has delivered the lazy option.

I wish you no disrespect and you continue to inspire me with you playing. It is a shame that these feelings are not reflected in the range of guitars that you choose to provide us with.

Ben
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Old 01-17-2007, 05:39 PM
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Look, I know I've been up all night and didn't bother sleeping, but I'm pretty sure I'm not going crazy and hallucinating yet. Glen changed the title, I swear. I'm gonna have to write a PM and ask just to be sure now. But I'm too tired. Bah!

Regardless, wasn't I right? This thread isn't about requesting stuff from Ibanez that's not even in the JEM range. Yes! I was right!

But yes brother, some of us won't lay down passively and accept the world as it is, we need change, dammit! Hence: vocal.

Just don't make me start yodeling outside your house at 3 am.

EDIT: Sorry for veering off the rails again.

Move along, move along... there's nothing to see here...


Ah...so the Namm unveiling has you suffering from insomnia, then eh???

Yes, you were right and I'm sure your words will be heard, Good Crusader

Get some sleep Dee!

And spare me the yodeling please. No need to share you're insomnia with others
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Old 01-17-2007, 05:42 PM
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Look, I know I've been up all night and didn't bother sleeping, but I'm pretty sure I'm not going crazy and hallucinating yet. Glen changed the title, I swear. I'm gonna have to write a PM and ask just to be sure now. But I'm too tired. Bah!

Regardless, wasn't I right? This thread isn't about requesting stuff from Ibanez that's not even in the JEM range. Yes! I was right!

But yes brother, some of us won't lay down passively and accept the world as it is, we need change, dammit! Hence: vocal.

Just don't make me start yodeling outside your house at 3 am.

EDIT: Sorry for veering off the rails again.

Move along, move along... there's nothing to see here...

Dee..... I don't think you're losing it..... this was posted in the other thread:

http://www.jemsite.com/forums/showth...=44515&page=40

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some of you guys really need to get a grip while blindly hammering ibanez.

yes ibanez is building and selling these guitars but if you don't like the design - wait until you see NAMM photos guys - the negative feedback needs to be directed at Steve as he has the final say on the guitar and every JEM/UV that will be sold (or not sold).

i think i will have to create and sticky a "complain to Steve & Ibanez about the JEM" thread here before this spirals further out of control... glen
I don't know that he actually "changed" the title but it's surely been added to. Based on that post..... which was referring to the JEM 20th (the guitar), I was under the same impression this thread was about all JEM's including the 20th!

Not to mention these posts.....

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the point is the "ibanez whining" (and what we'd call valid complaints) need not happen in a JEM20 thread. The RG ones belong in the RG20 thread ...glen
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rant and rave here
http://www.jemsite.com/forums/http://www.jemsite.com/forums/f15/complain-to-steve-about-the-jem-uv-lineup-here-no-long-winded-rants-elsewhere-57371.html

... glen

ps - re-reading the forum rules & posting guidelines is never a bad thing either
All referencing rants about the JEM 20th mostly and the RG 20th as added spin!

It's why I questioned whether I should leave my rant on this thread..... or whether it belonged in the JEM 20th thread. It was good to see Glen still had a sense of humor when responding to my inquire.....
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Old 01-17-2007, 05:45 PM
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Dear Steve,


I wish you no disrespect and you continue to inspire me with you playing. It is a shame that these feelings are not reflected in the range of guitars that you choose to provide us with.

Ben
If Steve likes what he's putting out, why should he worry if specific people are dissapointed?
Jems are not for us, they are for him. We tag along on the Steve Vai train. he's steering. Maybe he should make a signature Steve vai model but put it in the hands of the fans. Would defeat the purpose.

As far as the sustainer thing....Steve has his guitars fitted for them. We can do the same if we choose. If we practice as hard as he did, maybe we'll all become good enough to get the for free too.
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Re: Complain to Steve about the JEM/UV LINEUP here (no long winded rants elsewhere)


First, let me open by saying that I'm a seven stringer, and accordingly biased as hell.

Second, I think first and foremost a "thank you" is in order for ywenty years of forward thinking designs. I have very little desire to own a Jem these days (I am a UV player, however, and a PWH is my go-to), but the impact the guitar line had on the contemproary "shred" guitar - popularizing recessed trems, the "RG/Jem" body shape, neck profiles, the first production seven string, etc - cannot be understated.

Pricing is obviously inappropriate here, as that's Ibanez and not Vai. I will say in passing that a UV is no longer as good a buy new as it used to be, however.

Now, a 777BK is still out of the box one of the best seven strings on the market. We haven't seen a new design in something like 8 or 9 years, but frankly that doesn't bug me - the 777BK is still a classic, elegant, and timeless design that looks just as good at a jazz gig as it does playing death metal.

Would I like to see anything different? Sure I would. I'm a maple fretboard wh0re, but Vai's never really associated himself with that so I figure that's out of the picture. However, he has gone back and forth with basswood and alder in the Jem line in the past, and I personally would be all about an alder UV.

Aside from that, as a seven stringer there's not much I can ask for. The 777BK may not be everyone's cup of tea, but it's close enough for enough players that it's been a reasonably popular model. I'd love to see the return of the Lo-Pro Edge, but I suspect Ibanez is really pulling the strings on that one, and it's not in the cards. Locking studs for the Edge Pro, however, would certainly even the playing field. And Vai's not playing his UV's enough these days for me reasonably to ask for an additional production model.

so, pricing aside (which is Ibanez and the plummeting dollar at work) I guess things are pretty much ok in UV-land.

(though I for one would burn puppies for that UV10th prototype, if you're feeling generous, Steve... )
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Re: Complain to Steve about the JEM/UV LINEUP here (no long winded rants elsewhere)


guys, please curb the bickering as this should be a useful thread. the only thing i changed in the title was adding the word LINEUP cause you guys were going on jem20 tangents and the thread was not to be an exclusive 20th bitchfest ...glen
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If Steve likes what he's putting out, why should he worry if specific people are dissapointed?
Jems are not for us, they are for him. We tag along on the Steve Vai train. he's steering. Maybe he should make a signature Steve vai model but put it in the hands of the fans. Would defeat the purpose.

As far as the sustainer thing....Steve has his guitars fitted for them. We can do the same if we choose. If we practice as hard as he did, maybe we'll all become good enough to get the for free too.
Did you even read the tittle of the thread ?

Ben
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Dee..... I don't think you're losing it..... this was posted in the other thread
Phew! Thanks man, feels good to know I'm clinging on to my sanity

Regards,

Andre.

Oh bugger...
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Re: Complain to Steve about the JEM/UV LINEUP here (no long winded rants elsewhere)


My only gripe about about the JEM/UV line is the price. Sure they play nicely, but for that money? Hell no.

I know that Steve can't directly control the price, but he sure can have an influence. For instance, the new production JEM...It would be great if it weren't $2400...I can get so much more for $2400.

As others have said, variety would be great as well (more colors, etc).
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Phew! Thanks man, feels good to know I'm clinging on to my sanity

Regards,

Andre.

Oh bugger...
LMAO!!!

Classic !



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Regards,

Andre.
LMAO!
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Wow Eggy...haha some ESP going on there
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