Ibanez JEM77FP pattern, is it original?

[Alexeh]

I never saw that flower like that, yet it seems to be original. Am I just seeing things?

Edit: Also, this is another guitar. I've never seen the inlay quite pop out like this, it almost looks like a sticker? Then again, I'm a noob to Jems, so help me out please

[luvuvibanez]

The FP on top is real, the flowers in the fabric varied greatly. The FP on the bottom is also real it just seems to be really minty and really in need of a fretboard oiling.

[Distantshore]

Thats one of the reasons the FP is so cool(all the pattern combinations).

[Dee]

Never seen a body like that one. Not saying it's fake, but it looks like a Chibanez!

[luvuvibanez]

Originally Posted by Dee

Never seen a body like that one. Not saying it's fake, but it looks like a Chibanez!

Look at the neck plate, there is wear consistent with a used older jem, and the old style neck joint. Most Chibanez makers dont get the neck joint style right, plus the inlay and scalloping work looks to be of good quality consistent with Ibanez. As a last hint to its authenticity its bass side saddles are pimpeling, which would match the amount of wear on the neck plate. Its a FP that has been played but not ding'ed.

Alex if you really need help ask Rich.

[Tonelover]

I couldn't see the top one at first because it was so well camouflaged against the wallpaper.

[Ayrton]

That looks like a real neck on a chibanez body. However, I have never seen a chibanez with the older neck joint.

Gonna need Rich on this one.

[Dee]

Originally Posted by luvuvibanez

Look at the neck plate, there is wear consistent with a used older jem, and the old style neck joint. Most Chibanez makers dont get the neck joint style right, plus the inlay and scalloping work looks to be of good quality consistent with Ibanez. As a last hint to its authenticity its bass side saddles are pimpeling, which would match the amount of wear on the neck plate. Its a FP that has been played but not ding'ed.

Alex if you really need help ask Rich.

If you read my message again, you'll see I didn't say it was a Chibanez, only that it looks like one.

[Dee]

Double post.

[wilch]

Real. I've seen an FP with a similar top, and I saw it a very, VERY long time ago. Pre-evilbay, pre-Chibanez...

Post up the serial number (if it's still there). I think that's a very old FP.

[ivan]

Looks real for me.

[jono]

Looks real to me, there are basically several types of top, several types of back and several headstocks, giving many combinations for the guitar.

Each of the designs can shift along the x and y axis a little so effectively you may never see exactly the same pattern twice.

I've heard rumours that there were 3 tops, backs and headstocks for 27 different overal combinations.

HOWEVER... your looks like it has the same fabric back and front, so maybe that's just chance!

I looks like a 92 onwards as it has the direct mounted pickups.

[ibanez2005]

Looks like its got a crack in the neck pocket too, the body does look fake though.

[Alexeh]

First off, I want to thank you guys for replying to this thread. It is scary to me that a guitar copy could have come this far as to being replicated. That is why I've decided to post the other pictures found (they were 2 seperate guitars) one of which looks too suspicious to me. Feel free to post your thoughts. Let's call them guitar #1 and #2

I have also heard there were 3 patterns, here are 4 original florals from Ibanezrules

http://www.ibanezrules.com/images/gallery/jem77fp.jpg
http://www.ibanezrules.com/images/ga...em77fp15th.jpg
http://www.ibanezrules.com/images/ga...77fp15th_2.jpg

http://www.ibanezrules.com/images/ga...77fp15th_3.jpg

Checkout the last picture.

When you look at the back picture of this guitar you see the pink open flower on the left middle and the tip of the red one at the bottom.

The flowers are shown on guitar #1 as well, but the red and pink aren't on the same horizontal height. Also the pink flower in the original has the petals that seem to be almost attached to each other, the crease between petals running vertically down without much room. When you look at guitar #1 that same side of the petals have considerably more room to them (you can make this out even though the bridge takes away a bit of the pattern; rounding is still visible). The left side of the guitar #1's pattern seem to correspond more with the original right side, but there is still a difference in color and shape of the flower to the original.

To make a long story short, did Ibanez revise the cloth at any time? Otherwise this is probably a fake body? Also both the same cloth has been used on the front and back of this guitar, this could have been done by Ibanez but also by a lazy faker.

Guitar #1


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b9...h/JEM77FP1.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b9...h/JEM77FP4.jpg


Now onto Guitar #2!



http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b9...weirdinlay.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b9...eh/floral2.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b9...eh/floral3.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b9...eh/floral4.jpg

Do you see the large pinkish flower on the back of the guitar with the smaller blue one sticking out of it?

Now check out the front of this original guitar from the IR site.

http://www.ibanezrules.com/images/ga...77fp15th_2.jpg

The middle of the pink flower both have small redish things that don't go all the way around. The layers of both pink flowers seems to be the same. The pattern of the stems are quite similiar (back of guitar #2 = front of IR floral 15th_2). The blue flower with the stem has the same number of leafs and whitish thingy under the blue petals.

Yet the inlays of the guitar seem weird in this picture:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b9...weirdinlay.jpg

And normal in the big picture.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b9...eh/floral1.jpg

Can someone with a Floral Jem please verify if it's possible the inlay on this guitar is real? It seems to stick out so much it looks like a computer generated sticker!

Alright, so I guess guitar #1 has a chance of bigger chance of being a fake since the pattern does not match as good as #2 does. Yet the neck on #2 is questionable until we get some FP owner replies that point one way!

Thanks for reading, please post your thoughts and add if you own the guitar or not for comparison!

[gitarguy]

I own a 91 FP and I think both are real. Check out the different patterens on the Jemsite Gallery. The inlays on the second one look good as well. Someone already said it looks like that fretboard needs to be oiled. I think thats why it looks to pop so much.