is my new jem not set up right?

[jason_lee_91]

if my jem7v goes out of tune after playing it for 5 min and i bring down the strings till it flaps then its back in tune, does that mean my tremolo is nto set up properly?its still only like a week old maybe the strings arnt broken in?is that it?if nto wahts the problem?

[btangel]

make sure u stretch individual strings out otherwise they'd easily go out of tune on a bend. Make sure your bridge studs aren't worn out too, but if it's new I wouldn't think so.

[Phishphood42]

Are you using the trem or is it just regular playing? If you're using the trem, make sure the pads are locked down tight (but not too tight) and that the trem is parallel to the body. If you're not using the trem, its probably strings not being fully stretched.

[crevis]

Stretching strings does nothing on a locking trem. How old are the strings? if they're original then they probably need changing. Also make sure the nut and the saddles are locked tight.

[Jfallon]

Erm, stretching the strings would make a difference. Regardless of whether the trem is locked.

[crevis]

If you think so.

btw, just because alot of people say one thing doesn't mean you have to believe it, make your own mind up about it.

[ibanezdiehard]

[quote=crevis;633607]Stretching strings does nothing on a locking trem. [quote]

wrong dude, stretching is so important.

[eviltwin]

Originally Posted by ibanezdiehard

wrong dude, stretching is so important.

No crevis is right. It is physically impossible to stretch strings.

You can put tension on them, they will elongate, but al the deformation is elastic. There is no plastics deformation, only breakage.

What people keep confusing with stretching, is the setting of the strings on the tuners, in the toplock and saddles.

I have never ever stretched a string in my life, what I do is pull the string very hard off the fretboard while winding, that way the strings are perfectly set once they are locked. With the ball-ends at the tuners, you can do this right away.

It's ok for thousands of guitarist to keep repeating after one another: "stretch your strings" even though it's wrong, because it does no harm, calling crevis wrong however is incorrect.

@jason_lee_91

I suggest you follow the links above to Ibanez Rules' tech section, anything set-up related will be in there. (probably inclusing the advice to stretch strings )

[Jfallon]

Crevis- my assertion has more to do with years of experience with floyds and edges than with what other people tell me to do, thank-you.

String stretching and locking trems are two completely different issues. I'm interested to know why you think a non-locking trem would require string stretching if a locking one didn't. What's the difference?

[Jfallon]

eviltwin- by pulling the strings off the fretboard when you're winding them, you are stretching them.
If your plastic deformation theory is correct how do the laws of physics change for non-locking trems which is what crevis says???

[eviltwin]

Originally Posted by Jfallon

eviltwin- by pulling the strings off the fretboard when you're winding them, you are stretching them.

no it's pre-tension, not stretching. but if the end result is the same, I'm ok with it. It's just that with "stretching" you need to go back and retune after stretching, sometimes even after playing for a while.

My method is in tune rightaway, and stays that way.

If your plastic deformation theory is correct how do the laws of physics change for non-locking trems which is what crevis says???

non locking trems don't stay in tune anyway, that's the way I read it. The laws of physics still apply.

@jason_lee_91
http://www.jemsite.com/tech/

http://www.ibanezrules.com/tech/setup/index.htm

EDIT finally made it to 666 posts ! only 111 to go...

[GTR-MAN]

If you read the thread he says it goes out of tune after 5 min, then dives the bar till the strings flap then it's back in tune. he says the strings are only a week old. (reading comprehension anyone?)

I'm thinking it could be fat knife edges maybe or lack of locking studs maybe?

This is the 1st time I've read some people say string stretching is not important. That just blows my mind. I've been playing for 21 years and string stretching has always been important whether it be locking or non-locking trems, fixed bridges, acoustics, basses whatever. I always think it's funny when guitarists debate over the laws of physics. Reminds me of when I used to tweak, suddenly everyone has a degree in physics, science, and politics.

Anyway Jason Lee 91 I hope you get it figured out soon, I know how frustrating it can be. My Vwh was similar when I got it and it took some locking studs and some knife filling to get it perfect. Check out the tech section at Ibanezrules, Rich knows his craft and he backs string stretching too.

[jb4674]

Originally Posted by Phishphood42

Are you using the trem or is it just regular playing? If you're using the trem, make sure the pads are locked down tight (but not too tight) and that the trem is parallel to the body. If you're not using the trem, its probably strings not being fully stretched.

What pads are you talking about?

Originally Posted by crevis

Stretching strings does nothing on a locking trem. How old are the strings? if they're original then they probably need changing. Also make sure the nut and the saddles are locked tight.

Crevis I have to disagree. Whether the strings are freshly replaced or the originals that came from the factory, stretching the strings is very important. Now, whether I'm using the right term or not, that's what I've known it as since I started playing guitar when I was 6.

GTR-MAN is quite correct. Jason's Jem problem may not be the strings but the strings would be the first place to start to ensure that the guitar is in tune.

It could well be that the guitar needs some tlc to get it to hold tune whether he's raising the pitch or doing a divebomb and Rich's section does cover that in detail. I also think that the intonation should be checked. Since there's no intonation tool made for the Edge Pro, intonating it can be a hassle and is not as accurate as opposed to an edge or a lo-pro because you have a tool that allows you to fine tune the intonation correctly.

Jimmy

[crevis]

"stretching" strings is a myth and a placebo. On a non locking when you yank the strings, they tighten around the pegs which is very important but the strings don't "stretch" at all. So on a locking trem, it has no efect, in my experience you have to tune it at least twice before all the parts settle down but it has nothing to do with the strings being stretched or elastic enough. It's like the old 'breaking in a neck' theory.

But thats just my opinion.

[jason_lee_91]

Originally Posted by GTR-MAN

If you read the thread he says it goes out of tune after 5 min, then dives the bar till the strings flap then it's back in tune. he says the strings are only a week old. (reading comprehension anyone?)

I'm thinking it could be fat knife edges maybe or lack of locking studs maybe?

This is the 1st time I've read some people say string stretching is not important. That just blows my mind. I've been playing for 21 years and string stretching has always been important whether it be locking or non-locking trems, fixed bridges, acoustics, basses whatever. I always think it's funny when guitarists debate over the laws of physics. Reminds me of when I used to tweak, suddenly everyone has a degree in physics, science, and politics.

Anyway Jason Lee 91 I hope you get it figured out soon, I know how frustrating it can be. My Vwh was similar when I got it and it took some locking studs and some knife filling to get it perfect. Check out the tech section at Ibanezrules, Rich knows his craft and he backs string stretching too.

what are locking studs and knife filling?sorry im nto a guitar tech at all i jus play but now nwo i just bought thjis guitar i ahve about 100 left and iam saving up for a chopper to replace the mid single coil