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Old 02-26-2007, 02:53 PM
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Scarf Joint


Hello,

Could somebody please explain what scarf joint is and what are the advantages and disadvantages?

I see that the Jem have no scarf joint but the Prestiges do.

thanks!

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Old 02-26-2007, 03:31 PM
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Re: Scarf Joint


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarf_joint
http://www.guitargearheads.com/modul...f.php?lettre=J
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Old 02-26-2007, 03:41 PM
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Re: Scarf Joint


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Hello,

Could somebody please explain what scarf joint is and what are the advantages and disadvantages?

I see that the Jem have no scarf joint but the Prestiges do.

thanks!

axayacatl
jem's have scarf joint's except i'm not sure if the new one's do and i dont see a scarf joint on my 2006 prestige so
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Old 02-26-2007, 03:50 PM
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Re: Scarf Joint


Luthiers use a scarf joint when building a guitar neck out of a single piece of straight wood about the thickness of the neck. The wood is cut at a slight angle and then flipped to provide (a) an "angled-grain" joint which is stronger/ less likely to snap under stress or impact, and (b) proper tilt to the headstock which creates greater string pull for intonation.

Along with strength and stability, another advantage is economics. 1" Thick pieces of maple are cheaper than 3" thick (and easier to create from quarter-sawn boards), and you would need the bigger one in order to cut a headstock with an angle like you would find on a typical scarf-jointed headstock. Plus, when you cut from the bigger block, there's a lot of scrap wood left over that isn't really big enough to do anything with. Well, a good doorstop maybe...

Necks cut from single larger blanks typically have a volute (hump) at the nut to provide the extra strength needed. Additionally, volutes look pretty cool- so cool that many neck-makers create a volute on their scarf-joint necks to give them that antique look (ala Martin, etc.).

Jems nowadays have scarf-joints (I think- I'm very open to correction here) and examples can be seen at http://www.jemsite.com/jem/necks.htm.

Hope that helps!
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Old 02-26-2007, 03:52 PM
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Re: Scarf Joint


the new necks don't have a scarf joint they are 5 piece necks.
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the new necks don't have a scarf joint they are 5 piece necks.
Yup. Looking at pics of the more recent models w/ the 5-piece neck they seem to have the volute and no scarf-joint. The 5-ply combination provides greater linear strength to the neck (see Olson guitars ala James Taylor) negating the need for a scarf-joint.
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Old 02-26-2007, 05:05 PM
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Re: Scarf Joint


I suppose that with a locking trem unit you don't really have to worry about the whole string tension/ neck angle situation as much. The burden of string tension is carried by the locking nut and once it's locked you can do whatever the heck you want to the tuning keys. Guess that holds true for the Floyd Rose speedloader and Steinberger headless guitars too.

Plus, the 5pc neck looks sweet...
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Old 02-26-2007, 08:52 PM
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Re: Scarf Joint


the Js's dont have the volute part and i think they do have the mentioned scarf joint, i'll check it out later when i get home
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Old 02-28-2007, 09:56 AM
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Re: Scarf Joint


my new SZ4020 has the volute. not sure yet how i feel about it. i'll get a better idea after playing my new guitar this weekend at a couple shows (cheri pop time!!).
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Old 02-28-2007, 07:46 PM
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Re: Scarf Joint


That really helps guys, thanks.
Now I know what to look for.

Screamin, let us know how the guitar feels.
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Old 02-28-2007, 08:32 PM
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any time !!
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Re: Scarf Joint


you bet! i can't wait to see how she performs under the rigors of serious stage play.
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