SWIRLING A GUITAR - Page 4

RG462 · #46 09-21-2009, 03:18 PM

Get this guy outta here.

hahahaha

Rodzo · #47 09-21-2009, 03:18 PM

I don't need to read them. People don't share because they think they have got something over everyone else. It's not the sharing part that aggrivates me, it's the
"Swirling is easy, you just need to float the paints" and acting all ****y about it. Telling everyone it's no secret, yet avoiding the answer to a simple question.

I could have done the same for the Holoflash technique...I could have kept it a magical secret. Why? Just to be a jerk? No, I figured it took me this long to figure it out, why not now share it with others who want to try it, and possible take it a step further. (Mine is not the one on ProjectGuitar in their tutorial section, mine is within the forum)

Share or don't share - I'll get it figured out. I was just hoping to get some insight from others on what they use. Once I do have it figured out, I plan on completly sharing. Down to the dilutions for colors, boarx mix, etc. Just because I give all that out doesn't mean we are going to have a bunch of professional swirlers out there.

I guess this forum is different than ProjectGuitar. Project guitar is geared towards people learning how to make guitars, paint them ,etc. Your not suppose to wave candy in front of the kids and then not give them any. Here it's different. This board is not focused on "Building & Painting". So Iget that.

But don't tell me it's easy, or you know how to do it if you don't plan on helping people out. Cause if I am not going to get any help from you - I don't realyl care if you can do it or not.

Do you see what I am saying? I know I am totally coming across as a jerk! It is just annoying that all these people claim to know how to do it, but don't give any info. If you don't have a direct answer to a question - DON'T ANSWER. Someone helped then get started - give a little back.

And I am sure my attitude will not get me any closer to answers...for those of you on the same page as me...I WILL be posting the answers when I get them figured out during my trials.

Rodzo · #48 09-21-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RG462

Get this guy outta here.

hahahaha

Excuse me? Is this not a place to debate, learn, share, and find things out? I am not pointing anyone out, I'm not directly insulting anyone, I am questioning what many are questioning. If you don't agree with what I am saying, how I am saying it, etc. that's fine. No comment is necessary.

**jono** · #49 09-21-2009, 03:25 PM

As stupid as it sounds I've always wondered where to get a bucket or tub big enought to stick the guitar in!!!

Never mind what paints to use.

Rodzo, I'm looking forward to seeing your results and you sharing what you use. I know some of the guys here do swirl for a living, but it'll be good to now what someone who does it for fun ends up using

And guys (looking at RG462) keep it civil.

Rodzo · #50 09-21-2009, 03:32 PM

Thanks for the support. That's all I'm trying to do is educate, and be educated!

To answer your question of what I am using...a 55 gallon plastic trash can. I'm in the commercial cleaning business, so I have them readily available. I know over here in the states Home Depots, Menards, Etc. (hardware stores) all have something along the lines of a 44 gallon or smaller. Maybe even the 55 gallon.

Diamond Dave · #51 09-21-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodzo

I don't need to read them.

I think you've just proved that you do.

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Originally Posted by Rodzo

And I am sure my attitude will not get me any closer to answers...

No comment is necessary.

Cathedral · #52 09-21-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jono

As stupid as it sounds I've always wondered where to get a bucket or tub big enought to stick the guitar in!!!

Wicks. Yes that's right, Wicks actually have something worth buying. Actually come to think of it Homebase must have some large buckets, they're the go-to place for that sort of thing.

Brosa · #53 09-21-2009, 03:55 PM

Rodzo, if you want to share the world "secrets" you've discovered like the holoflash, good for you and everybody who learn from that. I believe you are doing this in the interest of everybody who would like to swirl and not extend a lot of money and time to do so.

In your quest please don't forget that most swirlers take years of trial, error loads of $$$ and testing just to create a good swirl.

If a succesfull swirler chooses not to share information it is also his or her right to do so. You should respect this just as a coca cola company chooses not to give their ingredients.

That being said, good luck and i truly hope you nail it with killer swirls.

Rodzo · #54 09-21-2009, 06:09 PM

I get ya...I just think for those who are successfully swirling - don't try and give advise that leads you no place. When someone asks "What paint are you using" don't respond with "Anything that floats, you have to experiment". Just don't say anything at all. I think anyone taking on the swirling effect has probably already gotten that far. Just respond "I would rather not share". No one approaches it that way. You don;t have to share your secrets - just don't chime in at all.

Get what I am saying? It's like they are saying "I know how to swirl, nah, nah nah..." let your pictures do the bragging, and stop giving advice that gets you no where.

And to the one who told me I DO need to read those other trheads...I already had. I went through every post about swirls, every post about swirls posted by people who are doing the swirls, etc. That's why I added to this one instead of jsut starting a new one.

As soon as I have enough posts...I'l start posting my progress pics. And those who want to learn how to swirl can learn from it as I go. And those who want to keep their secrets, can keep them. If they want to give any hints, or tips, that will progress anyone knowledge - share them.

Diamond Dave · #55 09-21-2009, 06:49 PM

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And to the one who told me I DO need to read those other trheads...I already had.

Good. Now go back and read them again. And this time take the lesson away that the last time someone came here with an attitude identical to yours, it was to rip people off and to sell the information on the bay for their own profit. And that might explain why people are reluctant to help just anyone who rolls in shouting the odds.

Tubarão Guitars · #56 09-21-2009, 10:28 PM

love those how to swirl threads.

Rodzo · #57 09-21-2009, 11:48 PM

Alright - clear frame of mind...I'm going to start over...(I am not bi-polar) I don't want to create a war with people on a site that I would like to be a part of. I don't think I ever actually attacked any users personally - so hopefully no one was directly offended.

So I appologize for my attitude. I was just annoyed at what I was reading...it was like watching a cooking "How To" show and they weren't telling you the ingredents. Just letting you see them pour everything together...no cooking temps., types of meat, times, etc.

My intent here is to figure this out (with any helpful assitance that maybe has not been mentioned) and help others like me looking to do this. And I think it would be fun if several people trying this could all interact together with tests, share, and gigure it out.

You guys who know what you are doing can sit back and see if we are getting hot or cold. Chime in if ya like, or watch us go around in circles.

I wish I could post my progress pictures, but until I havemore posts - I can't....

So far here is what I have tested...and my results

HOK Base Colors: Really wants to skin over FAST! Have not tried multiple reductions, just 50/50.

HOK Striping Uro: No matter what it wanted to fall to the bottom. Even using it;s special reducer.

Testers Gloss Enamel: Actually worked really well straight from the bottle for Black and White - just not a good color selection from the store.

Rustoleum Enamel: I can see potential with this messing around with dilutions - again color choices are not that big, so I havenot gone further.

1Shot: Currently testing and want to get to work. Huge color selection, and readily available at stores...Tried Black, Yellow, and Red
All diluted with mineral Spirits
7.5cc of Paint to 2.5cc of Mineral Spirits
Poured black in first...spread pretty good, but kinda looked like an oil slick and greasy. I'm thinking not thin enough.
Poured in some red - wanted to sink unless I got really close. Guessing ti was too heavy and also needs more reduction.
Poured in yellow. Spread really nice - think that might work for it.

On my piece of wodd - yellow seemed to stay in place nicely. Black ran as did red. Greasy looking so I think they need to be thinner.

As for my dipping bucket - about 40 gallons of water and 20oz of Borax. It has been sitting for about 10 days before I tried dipping.

musicdr · #58 09-21-2009, 11:50 PM

Its easy, just get a tub of water and proceed to try every paint that exists,a couple hundred sanding disks, make every conceivable mistake,ruin numerous pairs of clothes, alienate your friends, ruin the garage floor a few times, get a great swirl and ruin it with the wrong clearcoat.Nothing to it! On the serious side, swirling is like playing guitar.Someone can give you a guitar and some books, its up to you to put the time in and develop your art.Some people are comfortable playing gibsons, some strats etc. Whatever works for that person.The same is true of paints.The only way to find out is put the time in.

Rodzo · #59 09-22-2009, 12:43 AM

No disrespect - but those are not the types of answers I am looking for. I would rather nothing be said. You have only repeated what many others have already said. If you have noticed - I am writing my results - useful information for someone who maybe has not gotten as far as I have so far. Or for someone to possibly chime in and say "Ah, yes, that happened to me, try reducing more..." ya know? Something with value to it...

musicdr · #60 09-22-2009, 01:15 AM

Since I was typing my post, while you were posting yours,I didn't see all of your experimenting.Regarding the testors-model master enamels, try the spray paint.It does have a lower pigment count but goes on the water nice and thin.If you go to a hobby store you can find an abundance of colors and metal flakes.I have found no flourescent spray paints that work.They skin over immediately.To get around this, I have done flourescent base coats and swirl a pearl clear along with the other colors.Though it takes alot of experimenting as far as how colors interact over each other.The oneshots need to be reduced beyond 50% according to my experimentation.The flourescents are trickier as they like to fish eye.I haven't quite mastered the oneshots,but they show alot of promise.The model spray paints are easy to use but don't have the color depth over a white basecoat that I would like to achieve.Hope this was helpful.