UVMC production, ATD vs MKR, EVERYBODY'S HELP REQUESTED - Page 7

Rich · #91 03-16-2004, 07:12 PM

Glen evidently likes to spread bogus info then because near every MKR auction you see these days has some blurb about "this is one of the RARE Japanese swirls, only 60 made!" or "the Japanese swirls are much rarer than the American swirls" and every other concoction to that effect. And where ELSE on the net would they read that?! [spec sheet, right here, and the "addition" posted today does NOTHING to squash the falacy]

When fiction becomes fact it's almost impossible to stop it and turn it around [cough**Custom Made**cough]

**jemsite** · #92 03-16-2004, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

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Glen evidently likes to spread bogus info then because near every MKR auction you see these days has some blurb about "this is one of the RARE Japanese swirls, only 60 made!" or "the Japanese swirls are much rarer than the American swirls" and every other concoction to that effect. And where ELSE on the net would they read that?! [spec sheet, right here, and the "addition" posted today does NOTHING to squash the falacy]

case closed... finally here's your... modus operandi

too bad you conviently leave out the big picture of what is posted on the spec sheet. i take ZERO responsibility for people being outright fraudulent and deceitful. you should really know better... glen

ps - i'll just made a small edit to the spec sheet so you your diapers stay dry longer :P

Rich · #93 03-16-2004, 07:23 PM

Earth to Glen, it STARTED over that to begin with!! You have helped to perpetuate this by NOT updating that with a blanket statement LONG ago. Whether your statements or not, you knew there weren't 60 MKR's [at least I would hope you're at least smart enough to have realized that long ago] but you allowed the disinformation to perpetuate. If you wrote it or not is inconsequential, they read it here, they believe it.

**jemsite** · #94 03-16-2004, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

Earth to Glen, it STARTED over that to begin with!! You have helped to perpetuate this by NOT updating that with a blanket statement LONG ago. Wether your statements or not, you knew there weren't 60 MKR's[at least I would hope you're at least smart enough to have realized that long ago] but you allowed the disinformation to perpetuate. If you wrote it or not is inconsequential, they read it here, they believe it.

You get my nomination for putz of the month

Gee, i always thought there were 60 made until today... ROTFLMAO

All this babble and you should have emailed me weeks/months ago "hey glen... put this blurb in regarding MKR totals cause idiots are misquoting it on ebay".

I DON'T FOLLOW EBAY or other classified ads anywhere... glen

Rich · #95 03-16-2004, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jemsite

I DON'T FOLLOW EBAY or other classified ads anywhere... glen

First, I told you LONG ago.

Second, since you no longer even follow the market you still want to claim you have a "better grasp on this", as you did claim?

**jemsite** · #96 03-16-2004, 07:36 PM

enough....

it would have been ALOT easier (and more useful) to resubmit the email (that i never read) than carry on like a toddler

...glen

Rich · #97 03-16-2004, 07:41 PM

It's been discussed in many of our "arguments" right here [no, I'm not about to waste hours serching through thousands of posts to find a few of them]. You ignored and never did anything to correct.

You just keep backtracking and soon you'll find a way out of this argument. The numbers themselves will tell the story and eventually even you'll have to conceed. I have 14 more to add tonight.

Now if you'll excuse me I need a diaper change!

spike_s_27 · #98 03-17-2004, 02:45 AM

I too am waiting to see this saga end solely for the purpose of never having to witness another auction or ad claiming "one of the rare 60 japanese swirls". I cringe every time I see it.

Rich, without giving too much away, can you put a rough number on how many submitted MC's you've tallied so far? 100? 500? etc?

Rich · #99 03-17-2004, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by spike_s_27

Rich, without giving too much away, can you put a rough number on how many submitted MC's you've tallied so far? 100? 500? etc?

You evidently breezed past the links, I keep updating the first post of the thread

Total now is 98 UVMC's, and I can tell you right now, that's ALOT of guitars [especially when you've sorted that out from about 180 pictures with many many duplicates].

codnchips · #**100** 03-17-2004, 08:57 AM

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You evidently breezed past the links, I keep updating the first post of the thread

I don't know, you go to all that trouble!!!

Just can't get the staff these days!

**jemsite** · #**101** 03-17-2004, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rich

Total now is 98 UVMC's, and I can tell you right now, that's ALOT of guitars [especially when you've sorted that out from about 180 pictures with many many duplicates].

well i had 36-ish pictured already, many more i "rejected" for the gallery due to poor quality so in almost 7 years of jemsite we have less than 100 collected. Whoop-de-doo. Using a concensus guestimate this is 5-10% of the total made, you can see we've taken just a few baby steps up mt everest... glen

Jem7RB MK · #**102** 03-17-2004, 10:17 AM

And ooonnward to base camp

Seriously, The numbers thing isn't gonna be clear overnight, Maybe in a few years

Rob

**jemsite** · #**103** 03-17-2004, 10:20 AM

well considering the "push" for pictures recently and the total going from maybe 50 to 100... you really expect to unearth 500 more in the next year or two? i'm not holding my breath

...glen

Jem7RB MK · #**104** 03-17-2004, 10:30 AM

Not at all Glen, But in 2/3 years time the totals will have grown, With some luck, in the meantime i add this, There are'nt very many ATD's in the UK that i have come across, Yes there are a few, No-where near as many as there are Jap Swirls tho, I feel the opposite is largly true stateside

With all the speculating going on, And it is mostly speculative, It's going to be sometime before we reach a conclusion we can all agree on :-)

In the meantime, Back to debating

Rob

p.s. Hell you both know more than me anyhoo

Rich · #**105** 03-17-2004, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jemsite

well i had 36-ish pictured already, many more i "rejected" for the gallery due to poor quality so in almost 7 years of jemsite we have less than 100 collected. Whoop-de-doo. Using a concensus guestimate this is 5-10% of the total made, you can see we've taken just a few baby steps up mt everest... glen

You can be such a putz sometimes.

ANY scientist would be tickled to DEATH to have a random sample survey of 10%!!!! 10% is a HUGE percent for a random sample, period. And IMO it's large enough to show results, which it does.

The whole point is there IS a predominance of MKR's, period. No matter how many more are added you should see the percentage stay fairly constant somewhere around 60/40 MKR. When I get another day to waste I'll go through 10,000 emails with attachments and weed out all the UVMC's, but I already know those additions will be heavily predominant MKR, because MKR's ARE predominant. If I had saved every picture of a UVMC I've ever seen the percentage still wouldn't change, predominant MKR all the way.

If you consider "[editors note - the 60 number is WAY off due to deceitful practices by Ibanez Japan]." strong enough to kill the falacy that has become fact, it's not. 70 guitars is WAY more than 60. More appropriet would have been "The percentages of MKR's to ATD's will never be know for fact but there is a and has always been a predominance of MKR's on the market and in collections", but of course I'll just have to write it up the way I see it when I do a couple special model page notes on my site

And sometime maybe you could explain how these [among others] made your *pretigious* cut.