Another new 2009 J-Custom available: RG8420ZE

[bates]

I feel a bit insulted when i read all the bashing of the EZ bridge. I have been gigging the RG2550 professionally for about 4 months now and i find the bridge VERY COMFORTABLE, VERY EASY TO CHANGE STRINGS, VERY EASY TO SET UP, THE BAR STAYS WHERE I PUT IT, IT NEVER GO'S OUT OF TUNE and THE EXTRA RESISTANCE FROM THE ZERO BAR MAKES FOR MORE AGRESSIVE PLAYING (NICE!!!!).

Then i come on here and someone writes something as stupid as "Oh my! Ibanez, could you please ditch the Edge Zero and go back to Edge pro" followed by "I dont own a EZ but i looked at one in a shop".

I think bashing the EZ is a way for bad guitarists to look like they have a bit of experience

[Dino]

Originally Posted by bates

I feel a bit insulted when i read all the bashing of the EZ bridge. I have been gigging the RG2550 professionally for about 4 months now and i find the bridge VERY COMFORTABLE, VERY EASY TO CHANGE STRINGS, VERY EASY TO SET UP, THE BAR STAYS WHERE I PUT IT, IT NEVER GO'S OUT OF TUNE and THE EXTRA RESISTANCE FROM THE ZERO BAR MAKES FOR MORE AGRESSIVE PLAYING (NICE!!!!).

Then i come on here and someone writes something as stupid as "Oh my! Ibanez, could you please ditch the Edge Zero and go back to Edge pro" followed by "I dont own a EZ but i looked at one in a shop".

I think bashing the EZ is a way for bad guitarists to look like they have a bit of experience

Actually, I think the majority of the complaints stem from the quality and the Chinese manufacturing rather than the design.

[SilverEra]

Originally Posted by Dino

Actually, I think the majority of the complaints stem from the quality and the Chinese manufacturing rather than the design.

The design I find is on par with the Chinese manufacturing. (Not good).

[SilverEra]

Sigh

Originally Posted by bates

I feel a bit insulted when i read all the bashing of the EZ bridge.

Why, exactly? If you're insulted by everyone who has a difference of opinion, then stay away from forums.

Originally Posted by bates

I have been gigging the RG2550 professionally for about 4 months now and i find the bridge VERY COMFORTABLE, VERY EASY TO CHANGE STRINGS,

It's no easier to change strings with the EZ than any other trem, the only trem that could make things easier is the EP for not having to cut away the balls ends.

Originally Posted by bates

VERY EASY TO SET UP, THE BAR STAYS WHERE I PUT IT,

The intonation is only thing that's "easier" to set up due to an intonation tool (something with can be purchased for the Edge/Lo-Pro, but to be honest, how often does one need to set the intonation?
Plus, the tool is held into the body of the tremolo itself... I mean, come on, it looks like a wart. Couldn't they just include it in the jiffy bag like every other tool? Nope, they were going for a "Non-Common Sense" route. I'd rather take no tool than have that thing on my trem constantly.

The arm holder is the only improvement upon previous trems. I harvest these arms holders and put them on previous (superior) tremolos.

Originally Posted by bates

IT NEVER GO'S OUT OF TUNE and THE EXTRA RESISTANCE FROM THE ZERO BAR MAKES FOR MORE AGRESSIVE PLAYING (NICE!!!!).

The ZPS bar also makes for a flat return on pull up, ZERO flutter, and more agressive how?

Originally Posted by bates

Then i come on here and someone writes something as stupid as "Oh my! Ibanez, could you please ditch the Edge Zero and go back to Edge pro" followed by "I dont own a EZ but i looked at one in a shop".

Take it from me, Ibanez should ditch the Edge Zero and go back to the Edge Pro, Lo-Pro and Original Edge.

Originally Posted by bates

I think bashing the EZ is a way for bad guitarists to look like they have a bit of experience

I think someone has past thier bed time... (Y)
And I guess that means Rich has less experience than this prodigy!

[Rich]

[YAWN]

I just wanted to scream something back.

[SilverEra]

The only use I've found for the Edge Zero is harvesting the arm holders and putting them on my Original Edges.



The Edge Zero now has a use! ("Zero" indicating how much common sense went into the design... Hahahahahha.. ahem..)

[bates]

I understand that Rich has experience with trems and Rich always gives reasons for his complaints. Lets not confuse the constuctive critics with the random bashing. My gripe is with people who just say "ditch the edge zero" without even owning or spending time with one.

I dont mind opinion, hence the reason i read the forum but when i see the random bashing of the EZ it makes me feel insulted because i paid a lot of money for the 2550. It feels like people are saying ive done my money on a pile of **** when really i want to feel quite chuffed with getting a nice guitar.

[rob777vdy]

Originally Posted by bates

I understand that Rich has experience with trems and Rich always gives reasons for his complaints. Lets not confuse the constuctive critics with the random bashing. My gripe is with people who just say "ditch the edge zero" without even owning or spending time with one.

I dont mind opinion, hence the reason i read the forum but when i see the random bashing of the EZ it makes me feel insulted because i paid a lot of money for the 2550. It feels like people are saying ive done my money on a pile of **** when really i want to feel quite chuffed with getting a nice guitar.

yeah i can see where ya coming from.the way to look at it bates is if you like your rg2550z well take no notice of the folk who dont like the rg2550z (me included) and the ez trem its just other folks opinions.honestly i didnt like the rg2550z i just didnt take to the guitar the tone was my main quarm and i wasnt that fussed on the trem.i changed the ibanez/dimarzio pups for evo's and that was just as bad £200 down the drain+£30 to get em fitted.like i said its just other folks opinions,you enjoy your guitar mate

[psychoshredder]

I paid my learning process on 18mm prestige wizard neck and EZ by buying RG 2610Z.
I only played and owned that guitar for 1 month before put it on sale.
Everything just feels wrong to my hand.

Just personal taste. That's all.

[Tetragrammaton]

Ok, I've had this guitar for a while now and feel like I can say a word or two about it, maybe even do a full review.

Sound wise it is very focused and heavy. The EMG pickups have caused some controversy and I gotta admit, it took a while to get used to them and find the correct tone. Once I did, I was rocked. This guitar is a serious metal machine that begs to be tuned atleas a halfstep down. And while the bridge pickup puts out a growling, chrunching tone perfect for aggressive riffing, the bridge position delivers a piercing lead tone for solos. I like to play slower melodies on the middle position of the threeway switch. The active pickups maintain a good tone even when volume and gain are turned down and feel very responsive even then. And when you crank the volume and gain, this guitar really shows what it was meant to do. Together with the thick sound of mahongany body, it sounds PHAT. I've still to find a good clean tone though...

This guitar is more focused than say a jem that has quite the versatility tone vise, but that was one of the reasons I chose just this model, as I allready own a UV777BK and a RG750 I wanted something different from th dimarzio line and sure enough got what I wanted. If you're looking for a versatile multitool or a vintage sounding blues guitar, you might be better off with something else, for metal of shredding, look no further this is a very serious contender for anything else on that field.

The neck is jcustom quality, very light and very fast. In fact, with the pickupselector on the neckposition, I think this is the fastest guitar I have ever laid my hands on. The overall build quality is good, the fretwork is great, the neck joint is perfect and the top looks stunning. I was priviledged to be able to hand pick mine from Japan (the Ochanomizu guitar street is SICK, although this was bought from Shibuya). I saw some examples of the same model where some minor flaws were evident. Most surprising was the amount guitars that had a very visible seam on the top like on the one that's in ibanez website picture here
http://www.ibanez.co.jp/products/pag...&series_id=191

A minor detail, but enough to make a stunningly beautifull guitar fall from being perfect. Colorwise, I chose the purple amethyst because I felt it gives the best visual impact when compared to the black and the red model available.

Then the part that causes even more controversy than the pickups; the Edge Zero tremolo. I for one like it. But on the other hand I'm not really a big fan of tremoloes and don't use them a lot. I actually thought that I wouldn't buy another guitar with a trem but here we are. Fortunately the Zero has the least issues and drawbacks of other tremoloes I know of. It stays in tune really nicely, the intonation screws are placed so that they are accessible with ease (why didn't they just put them like this to begin with, I wonder) and together with the mahongany body it has a good sustain. The trem feels stiff, much like the one on my seven string guitar. Some would call this precise, some boring. I quite like it, and have started using more trem after buying this guitar. But still, it doesn't flutter and feels rather stiff, so when I need sick whammybar tricks on a song I just whip out the RG750 with the original Edge Pro. A matter of preferences I'd say. It is also possible to remove the ingenious Zero point system and float it completely, but I haven't bothered to try this.


Sorry about my shaky english. This was a short reviewish glimpse on this guitar, maybe I'll write more sometime.
More pictures and answers to potential questions may be provided.

[SilverEra]

Originally Posted by bates

I understand that Rich has experience with trems and Rich always gives reasons for his complaints. Lets not confuse the constuctive critics with the random bashing. My gripe is with people who just say "ditch the edge zero" without even owning or spending time with one.

I dont mind opinion, hence the reason i read the forum but when i see the random bashing of the EZ it makes me feel insulted because i paid a lot of money for the 2550. It feels like people are saying ive done my money on a pile of **** when really i want to feel quite chuffed with getting a nice guitar.

I can understand that, but stating that "people bash the edge zero because they have no experience/bad guitar player" etc, is just plain stupid.

I'm glad you like your guitar, but you must understand that most people seem to have genuine gripes with the Edge Zero, all with design, aesthetics and manufacturing quality, and not just because it's new. My opinion (as what seems to be the majority too) is that the Edge Zero is inferior to previous top-end trems by a significant margin. The are numerous design flaws that should've been worked on before release, or just dropped all together, and the manufacturing quality people seem to find second par aswell.

[Rich]

I can understand your point. There will always be those that just "pile on" without having any actual experience. And you're free to love your trem and your guitar. In fact I'm delighted that you do. You paid good money for it and you should be proud of your purchase.

That said, I still wish they'd go back to the EP for Prestige and above. The EZ would make a nice trem to use on the Indo models. It's definitely an improvement over the Edge3 IMO

[bates]

Yeah thats cool. I should not have got so uptight about it. Maybe Ibanez should have left the J-customs with the Edge Pro like the 7v and just tested the EZ on standard models like mine

[Ayrton]

Is there a part number for the arm holder? I want to give that a shot on my Lo Pros.

[Rich]

I just asked "again", they said they'd ask Japan, "again".