J-Custom & Prestige confusion - What makes a J-C a J-C? - Page 5

**jemsite** · #1 05-16-2002, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevan

These shoes suck, huh? Guess what- now it's your turn to wear them.

my shoes are real comfy

you see black and white only... nothing inbetween. Your zealotry has opened up a can of worms that if i were Ibanez, I would probably prefer remain closed. Personally speaking, i could care less... it's trivial really. I can now see why they are hush-hush about details like this that are for the most part IRRELEVANT to 99.9% of CUSTOMERS anyways.

I know you are trying to propegate the faith in J-Custom, but in fact your religious fervor is only going to create negative publicity overall. You don't see that now, but sit back and enjoy the show

Now, if and when I have clearance to post more info, you will get the official ibanez corporate line and an un-biased editorial that calls the shots EXACTLY as they were landed. No spin, no BS. Just the "official facts" and real-life working examples of the information that was supplied. From there we can all make our own judgements... because life is full of "grey".

Enjoy.

einarabelc5 · #2 12-12-2005, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jemsite

my shoes are real comfy

you see black and white only... nothing inbetween. Your zealotry has opened up a can of worms that if i were Ibanez, I would probably prefer remain closed. Personally speaking, i could care less... it's trivial really. I can now see why they are hush-hush about details like this that are for the most part IRRELEVANT to 99.9% of CUSTOMERS anyways.

I know you are trying to propegate the faith in J-Custom, but in fact your religious fervor is only going to create negative publicity overall. You don't see that now, but sit back and enjoy the show

Now, if and when I have clearance to post more info, you will get the official ibanez corporate line and an un-biased editorial that calls the shots EXACTLY as they were landed. No spin, no BS. Just the "official facts" and real-life working examples of the information that was supplied. From there we can all make our own judgements... because life is full of "grey".

Enjoy.

Hey admin:

This goes mostly for the Tremol-No Inventor and U and a little to Rich for playing along:

U might ban for this site if u want, but isnt this discussion kinda of....STINGY!!!

Heck you are so rotten on guitars and start this pointless stupid conversations on what do u percieve as what and if the fart that the old lady at the mall in threw the other day in front of the chief of the Fireman Department smelled like roses or like daisies. When there are a lot of guys out there that dont have the money to even get a nice guitar even though they should be in a posittion to advance musically they cant cause they live in a country whose economy is blasted and have to conform with a chinese made guitar. Like me who am about to become an electrical engineer and still looking for job, my Father is the head of investigation at a Hospital is a renowed scientist thats even on the who's who list and we still can barely make it to eat!!!
Shame on you go to make a noise foundation and start donating some money.

If u want a good thread why not use all that good experience of you to start a conversation on brand vs quality on guitars or models,: maybe then people who dont have acces to this things can get an idea of what to get for their tastes in case they get any, if remote chance, buy one; not to show off on who knows more than who about Ibanez guitars
If not, then ask Rich he'll tell u that the cost of shipping a guitar here is around 340 $, is as If i buy a 370Dx here at the price of a 1570 there.Scheiße!!!!

Yea I know its not your fault and all that and blablabla...
I just use it to make a point stop eating crap for gods sake....

See people, thats why most of the "poor" world hates your guts (not that I do, if I did i wont expend my time writing this)
Its your attitude, it all comes down to how you say it and not what you say...
Yea the world its like a lady, men.

P.D. To those who feel guilty about the rest of the world dissasters, please dont, giving money to Africa wont help... Givin education and civilization to Africa just might...(Remember they are still on the Iron Age)
Money its mostly for their politicians and not the babies with AIDS.

On the other hand, Heck Look at America(The whole continent) with an Imported culture, Do you think that comforms a civilization, I dont think so.. Well i guess it takes more than half a millenium to comform that, besides Rome its gone soooo...like Axl Said: yep, we're fornicatus...

Besides western civilization is going to Sunk in crap anytime soon..
Thank God for guys like Vai, And Masters Master Satriani, who still make some serious art and help keep this thing floating... and whatever....

PEACE I'm out.

screamndemon69 · #3 12-13-2005, 09:16 AM

wow- i haven't been around here much lately. i must have missed something because i didn't know that being born in a country that most of the world caters to consumer wise should make me feel guilty. thanks for the info -now i can hang my head low while driving 6 blocks in my SUV to the music store and buy an RG1570 for $700 - out the door. boy i feel bad

J Customs and Prestige guitars are the elite and that's why we love them. for those of us who go without so many other things to be able to afford these nice items shouldn't have to feel bad for those who can't. i work my a** off and am LUCKY enough to live where i have the ability to get these things for working my a** off. we still pay exhorbent customs to import J-Customs from Japan as they STILL aren't regularly sold here.
IMHO - we are all people of the same all over the world and there are haves and have nots anywhere you go. if you can't afford to buy something nice then please don't be condescending to those of us who aren't rich or wealthy and work very hard to get nice stuff - remember the US dollar is fairly weak in the world right now and a lot of people are making minimum wages here.
sorry to rant - delete if i crossed any lines.

einarabelc5 · #4 12-14-2005, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by screamndemon69

wow- i haven't been around here much lately. i must have missed something because i didn't know that being born in a country that most of the world caters to consumer wise should make me feel guilty. thanks for the info -now i can hang my head low while driving 6 blocks in my SUV to the music store and buy an RG1570 for $700 - out the door. boy i feel bad

J Customs and Prestige guitars are the elite and that's why we love them. for those of us who go without so many other things to be able to afford these nice items shouldn't have to feel bad for those who can't. i work my a** off and am LUCKY enough to live where i have the ability to get these things for working my a** off. we still pay exhorbent customs to import J-Customs from Japan as they STILL aren't regularly sold here.
IMHO - we are all people of the same all over the world and there are haves and have nots anywhere you go. if you can't afford to buy something nice then please don't be condescending to those of us who aren't rich or wealthy and work very hard to get nice stuff - remember the US dollar is fairly weak in the world right now and a lot of people are making minimum wages here.
sorry to rant - delete if i crossed any lines.

No dude u havent you just made your point see, the difference beetween us is that if u beak ur ass in four parts , eight parts 16 parts, or any non prime number part u can get what u can, and thats it is exactly what I mean, but you seem to have lost my point my point isnt envy for that, no not at all !!!My point isnt to make ANY of you feel guilty cause I think your people have worked VERY hard to get where your country is right now, and there's no reason for envy you for working...Besides that should be the Normal situation, in fact I think that if more of your countrymen think like you then I think you are doin' GREAT!!! I said that most of other country people envy you for that cause they might have a distorted vision of the situation there, but not me, I dont envy you for that I just said what I said to make THIS point:

My point is to these 2 guys who discuss stuff that to my oppinion are pretty pointless (in 94% Kevan, 5% Glen and 0.9% Rich(just for playing along, just let him talk Rich, dont play along!!!))...Instead of using all that experience(and thats what i envy

) they have to give a fruitfull discussion like the one I suggested in my previous post.. Which damn guitar is better on each category and period just ignore brand and stuff thats just bs....Why cause that way we newbies can LEARN something, and perhaps even get to admire you people somehow, for your knowledge....

cya round..

Besides by me u are welcome to cross it anytime you like if you think the way you have showed to think...

gkelm · #5 05-16-2002, 10:15 AM

Hey, this is quintessential Jemsite...gotta love it!

I appreciate Jay13 posting from Hoshino (although rumor has it that it's Kevan in disguise).

Jay R. has a good point about the mystique. I agree with Glen on the "grey" perspective. One example (if I may throw a small wrench in the works) is the "Texas Prestige" guitars...I've owned 4, still have one. It says Prestige on the headstock, but the extra features and detail place them more in a JC-style category (ebony boards, amazing quilt/flame tops, abalone trim, limited numbers, etc). An Ibanez rep at a guitar show gave me the impression that JCs are manufactured in the same place as Prestige, but now we've heard something contrary. The "Grey Mystique" remains.

Greg

vaijem777 · #6 05-16-2002, 11:32 AM

I think that the term "mystique" is perfectly fitting. I think it's already been said, but maybe it'd be better to leave it as a "mystery" and just agree to disagree when it comes to the merits of J Customs over Prestiges, etc. Whether or not they are made in the same shop or not seems irrelevant. The J Customs are made for Japan/Europe ONLY distribution, and as a whole, have several differences from most of the Prestige & other models. As Brent said...I lke the J Customs because they ARE different. They aren't like the RG3120's that you see half a dozen of everytime you walk into Guitar Center. When I take my RG-ART or RG-ARCH to a gig, I never fail to get FAR more compliments/comments than I do when I've taken my JEMs or the RGT3120. They're different, they're mostly unique, and I like them better. Does that mean they're better guitars? That's far too subjective to really quantify. I happen to think that they are, even if it's ever so slightly. But, just as one flamed maple top is different than another...so are guitars. And people's tastes for that matter! I love J Customs. I'm also very fond of my JEMs & JS', and my RGT3120 is great! If it came down to having to sell either my RG-ARCH or my GMC...I think I'd end up keeping the ARCH. But...to each their own

Kevan · #7 05-16-2002, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jemsite

I know you are trying to propegate the faith in J-Custom, but in fact your religious fervor is only going to create negative publicity overall.

Holy projection, Batman!
You've done nothing but bash JC's since they came off the boat in 1996. You've done the same thing with 555's and I have faith that you'll do it with the 333's as well.
If *ANYONE* is creating negative publicity about the JC line(and/or negative "hype", as you so like to say), it would be you, Glen. Examples abound in this topic and all over the rest of the site (For a good time, compare the USAC FAQ to the JC FAQ), and the entire Forum knows about it. Don't try to pawn it off on me being a zealot or some sort of religious follower. Facts are facts, and "word from the manufacturer" is as close as you or I are going to get. Stop trying to twist it around, or wiggle out of being wrong. Accept it. It's over.

Just admit that you were wrong, and apologize. Be done with it.

Greg- When I first read Jay13's post I thought, "Oh great...Glen will immediately think that's me." Guess I wasn't too far off. The truth is, it's not me. Sorry folks- pay your bets. :-)

bduersch · #8 05-16-2002, 11:38 AM

Amen to that, brother Chris!

To Greg's point, I've never understood the limited run Prestige models like the RG7CTVV. While it might not have piezos or an ebony board like the J-Custom RG7CST, I seriously doubt there is any difference in the parts or quality between the two guitars. Just seems to make a confusing matter even more confusing!

When all is said & done, I like J-Customs. I like Prestiges just as much. I'd still take 'em over a Jem any day of the week, regardless of mystique!

--B

**jemsite** · #9 05-16-2002, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevan

Greg- When I first read Jay13's post I thought, "Oh great...Glen will immediately think that's me." Guess I wasn't too far off. The truth is, it's not me. Sorry folks- pay your bets. :-)

Dear Mr. Paranoid.

Jay13's identity was never in question. Learn to read better.

In fact, any other member would have their forum membership REVOKED for posting such absurd ACCUSATIONS, and in fact will be if you don't use some smarts when you post here.

I know you crave attention, but SEEK IT ELSEWHERE PLEASE (maybe on IM)

... glen

ps - no one hates/dislikes J-Customs here.... you've barked up another wrong tree AGAIN.

pri0531 · #10 05-16-2002, 11:49 AM

Someone please answer this for me. If there was an unmarked (no paint and no nomenclature) JC on a stand next to an unmarked (no paint and no nomenclature) prestige could u tell a difference?
Out,
GP

**jemsite** · #11 05-16-2002, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pri0531

Someone please answer this for me. If there was an unmarked (no paint and no nomenclature) JC on a stand next to an unmarked (no paint and no nomenclature) prestige could u tell a difference?
Out,
GP

Yes, the J-C smells better from 1.3 meters

OK... that was HUMOR

...glen

gkelm · #12 05-16-2002, 12:20 PM

Yes, just to clarify, in my post above about Jay13's post, the

indicates intended light-hearted humor, tonge-in-cheek, etc.

I must admit I'm dumbfounded at how serious this stuff gets.
Greg

vaijem777 · #13 05-16-2002, 02:25 PM

Here's a total X-Files geeky take on the situation:

Kevan= Fox Mulder.
-there is evidence to back up his belief that J Customs are a little bit "above and beyond" the normal Prestige models. Kinda of like a race of "super-guitars". But, there are only a selected few that see the merits of the J Customs, and those few are deemed as heretics or "wackos" (even if not using that exact term).

Glen/Rich= FBI Assistant Directors.
-they may or may not know more than they let on, and normally neither deny nor confirm the merits of the J Custom line. There may or may not be inside contact at Ibanez/Hoshino that have additional information. Thus, the J Customs MAY bet better/different from the Prestige/Signature lines, but...they are not at liberty (or are for reasons know only to them, are unwiling) to admit that.

Glen's role as the apparent "nemesis" to Kevan's "Mulder" would also qualify him to be the "Cigarette Smoking Man" in this scenario. No matter what Kevan comes up with to subastantiate his beliefs in regards to J Customs, Glen is there to squash any uprising of faith in the line. Is Glen doing this for the well-being of the public? Perhaps. Or is his dislike for J Customs due in part to somehow serving his own hidden agenda?

Me: Scully
-Granted, I'm not nearly as hot as Gillian Anderson, but...I've got a great personality! I was pretty damn skeptical at first as to whether or not J Customs were that great. But, once I was "adbucted" by my RG-ART, I was sold! I'm still cautiously in love with the J Customs, but I'm open-minded to the different arguments both for and against them. I'm definitely in favor of the theory that J Customs are different (if not better) than the other production models. I personally am convinced of this. But...I only believe that because I have experienced J Customs, Prestiges and Signature models all first hand. I can only speak from MY experiences, which are very much in favor of J Customs.

Ibanez:: That evil old dude in the movie who pulled all the strings
They're the "big brother" of guitar companies. It's impossible to get a straight answer, and the real "truth" will most likely never be willingly divulged. The fat cats at Ibanez are probably sitting in their ivory tower laughing at us all right now. We are most likely nothing more than a great source of amusement to them...even though they'd never even admit we existed. If there IS an evil plot to obscure any "truth"...they are the perpetrators of such a scheme.

Thus, at least part of the "truth" appears to have been divulged by Jay13 (a.k.a. "Deep Throat"), but that nugget of "fact" may or may not be valid, and has yet to be 100% substantiated.

The "truth" IS out there....maybe it'll all be revealed by Sunday?

jay ratkowski · #14 05-16-2002, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by gkelm

I must admit I'm dumbfounded at how serious this stuff gets.
Greg

'Dumb' is the key word here.

Rich · #15 05-16-2002, 02:32 PM

Getting the "truth" from a company that changes it's story to meet which way the wind blows is a little more involved than reading a statement, that could or could not change again in the future...