J-Custom & Prestige confusion - What makes a J-C a J-C?

[carcassrulez]

Originally Posted by akoch

Guys, check this link out. You may find it interesting.
http://www.kurosawagakki.com/ibanez1.html
Keep going through the Chapter 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. It answers many of the above questions.
Cheers,
Alex

Well, using intensively babelfish translator, we could understand, that at least for the intensive wood check, fret job and hand painted stuff, the 8670 definitively is a "custom" tailored 6 string mean machine!!!!

I just feel the need to have one of my own....but a portuguese's wage won't help much... oh well, keep saving, keep saving!!!

[Flanker]

I am a new member of JemSite. Hi.

Kinda hard reading 8 pages of posts, plus it is getting late here. I thought J-Customs are being hand-made in small quantities, while Prestige are manufactured in a factory. Is that wrong?

[Pulvus]

I'm thinking to buy a J-custom (rg 7 strings) online from the ishibashi web store...Anyone did the same?Ishibashi is a good shop? Thank you

[3rdeye]

I'm thinking about doing that. Let us know how it turns out.



-3rdeye.

[bpd111]

Originally Posted by Pulvus

I'm thinking to buy a J-custom (rg 7 strings) online from the ishibashi web store...Anyone did the same?Ishibashi is a good shop? Thank you

Two of us here just did it with RG8670TVs. Koichi at Ishi is very friendly to deal with however, for me, there are set-up issues and some minor damage to the finish because of loose string stoppers that came off the guitar during shipping.

Hindsight being 20/20, I wish I'd kept my money and had Jeremy (LGM) or Eddie (EKG) build me exactly what I wanted. I won't import a guitar from Japan again.

If you want stock buy from someone like Rich Harris who puts much TLC into every guitar he sells.

[fred10]

I concur- I would not buy from Japan again. The set up was an absolute joke and they even told me they would set it up and have their tech go thru it but that was BS. There is no mystical magical thing with J-customs

[Pulvus]

Thank u very much...now I'm not thinking to buy in Japan...A few days ago I saw ,at Disma music Show here in Italy, the guitar I always dream...Have a look here www.manne.com .The finest guitar I've ever seen befor!

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Pulvus

Thank u very much...now I'm not thinking to buy in Japan...A few days ago I saw ,at Disma music Show here in Italy, the guitar I always dream...Have a look here www.manne.com .The finest guitar I've ever seen befor!

I've never heard of those but they sure are ugly compared to the J Customs aren't they.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Flanker

I am a new member of JemSite. Hi.

Kinda hard reading 8 pages of posts, plus it is getting late here. I thought J-Customs are being hand-made in small quantities, while Prestige are manufactured in a factory. Is that wrong?

I'm pretty sure the J-Customs are made in the same factory (Fuji-gen) as all Japanese Ibanez guitars.
I think they're 'hand-finished' and the fret-work has more attention to detail but they're certainly not hand-made.

They were once made in small quantity runs (12 or 24 instruments) but these days there are a lot more produced for the market.

[ustolemyhandle]

The 8170F looks pretty much the same as the 3120F sold here except for pick-ups. The 3120 is the same price as the RGA321 which is sold in both Japan and NA. The 8170 is only 20% more than the RGA321. If the Prestige's were factory built and the J-Customs are hand built in a small facility wouldn't you expect a much larger than 20% premium? ESP customs are at least twice as much as a similar Standard series I think.

[fettouhi]

Originally Posted by Ferrous Lepidoptera

I only have my Prestige 3120 and my J-custom RG8670 to compare, but from that limited comparison, the RG8670 seems finer than the 3120. For example, look at how the ends of the frets are rounded off on the 8670:



But it's only one data point, doesn't say much about the "average" J-Custom vs. "average" Prestige, if those are meaningful concepts.

SWEET is the word .

Regards

André

[einarabelc5]

Originally Posted by jemsite

my shoes are real comfy

you see black and white only... nothing inbetween. Your zealotry has opened up a can of worms that if i were Ibanez, I would probably prefer remain closed. Personally speaking, i could care less... it's trivial really. I can now see why they are hush-hush about details like this that are for the most part IRRELEVANT to 99.9% of CUSTOMERS anyways.

I know you are trying to propegate the faith in J-Custom, but in fact your religious fervor is only going to create negative publicity overall. You don't see that now, but sit back and enjoy the show

Now, if and when I have clearance to post more info, you will get the official ibanez corporate line and an un-biased editorial that calls the shots EXACTLY as they were landed. No spin, no BS. Just the "official facts" and real-life working examples of the information that was supplied. From there we can all make our own judgements... because life is full of "grey".

Enjoy.

Hey admin:

This goes mostly for the Tremol-No Inventor and U and a little to Rich for playing along:

U might ban for this site if u want, but isnt this discussion kinda of....STINGY!!!

Heck you are so rotten on guitars and start this pointless stupid conversations on what do u percieve as what and if the fart that the old lady at the mall in threw the other day in front of the chief of the Fireman Department smelled like roses or like daisies. When there are a lot of guys out there that dont have the money to even get a nice guitar even though they should be in a posittion to advance musically they cant cause they live in a country whose economy is blasted and have to conform with a chinese made guitar. Like me who am about to become an electrical engineer and still looking for job, my Father is the head of investigation at a Hospital is a renowed scientist thats even on the who's who list and we still can barely make it to eat!!!
Shame on you go to make a noise foundation and start donating some money.

If u want a good thread why not use all that good experience of you to start a conversation on brand vs quality on guitars or models,: maybe then people who dont have acces to this things can get an idea of what to get for their tastes in case they get any, if remote chance, buy one; not to show off on who knows more than who about Ibanez guitars
If not, then ask Rich he'll tell u that the cost of shipping a guitar here is around 340 $, is as If i buy a 370Dx here at the price of a 1570 there.Scheiße!!!!

Yea I know its not your fault and all that and blablabla...
I just use it to make a point stop eating crap for gods sake....

See people, thats why most of the "poor" world hates your guts (not that I do, if I did i wont expend my time writing this)
Its your attitude, it all comes down to how you say it and not what you say...
Yea the world its like a lady, men.


P.D. To those who feel guilty about the rest of the world dissasters, please dont, giving money to Africa wont help... Givin education and civilization to Africa just might...(Remember they are still on the Iron Age)
Money its mostly for their politicians and not the babies with AIDS.

On the other hand, Heck Look at America(The whole continent) with an Imported culture, Do you think that comforms a civilization, I dont think so.. Well i guess it takes more than half a millenium to comform that, besides Rome its gone soooo...like Axl Said: yep, we're fornicatus...

Besides western civilization is going to Sunk in crap anytime soon..
Thank God for guys like Vai, And Masters Master Satriani, who still make some serious art and help keep this thing floating... and whatever....

PEACE I'm out.

[screamndemon69]

wow- i haven't been around here much lately. i must have missed something because i didn't know that being born in a country that most of the world caters to consumer wise should make me feel guilty. thanks for the info -now i can hang my head low while driving 6 blocks in my SUV to the music store and buy an RG1570 for $700 - out the door. boy i feel bad
J Customs and Prestige guitars are the elite and that's why we love them. for those of us who go without so many other things to be able to afford these nice items shouldn't have to feel bad for those who can't. i work my a** off and am LUCKY enough to live where i have the ability to get these things for working my a** off. we still pay exhorbent customs to import J-Customs from Japan as they STILL aren't regularly sold here.
IMHO - we are all people of the same all over the world and there are haves and have nots anywhere you go. if you can't afford to buy something nice then please don't be condescending to those of us who aren't rich or wealthy and work very hard to get nice stuff - remember the US dollar is fairly weak in the world right now and a lot of people are making minimum wages here.
sorry to rant - delete if i crossed any lines.

[einarabelc5]

Originally Posted by screamndemon69

wow- i haven't been around here much lately. i must have missed something because i didn't know that being born in a country that most of the world caters to consumer wise should make me feel guilty. thanks for the info -now i can hang my head low while driving 6 blocks in my SUV to the music store and buy an RG1570 for $700 - out the door. boy i feel bad
J Customs and Prestige guitars are the elite and that's why we love them. for those of us who go without so many other things to be able to afford these nice items shouldn't have to feel bad for those who can't. i work my a** off and am LUCKY enough to live where i have the ability to get these things for working my a** off. we still pay exhorbent customs to import J-Customs from Japan as they STILL aren't regularly sold here.
IMHO - we are all people of the same all over the world and there are haves and have nots anywhere you go. if you can't afford to buy something nice then please don't be condescending to those of us who aren't rich or wealthy and work very hard to get nice stuff - remember the US dollar is fairly weak in the world right now and a lot of people are making minimum wages here.
sorry to rant - delete if i crossed any lines.

No dude u havent you just made your point see, the difference beetween us is that if u beak ur ass in four parts , eight parts 16 parts, or any non prime number part u can get what u can, and thats it is exactly what I mean, but you seem to have lost my point my point isnt envy for that, no not at all !!!My point isnt to make ANY of you feel guilty cause I think your people have worked VERY hard to get where your country is right now, and there's no reason for envy you for working...Besides that should be the Normal situation, in fact I think that if more of your countrymen think like you then I think you are doin' GREAT!!! I said that most of other country people envy you for that cause they might have a distorted vision of the situation there, but not me, I dont envy you for that I just said what I said to make THIS point:

My point is to these 2 guys who discuss stuff that to my oppinion are pretty pointless (in 94% Kevan, 5% Glen and 0.9% Rich(just for playing along, just let him talk Rich, dont play along!!!))...Instead of using all that experience(and thats what i envy ) they have to give a fruitfull discussion like the one I suggested in my previous post.. Which damn guitar is better on each category and period just ignore brand and stuff thats just bs....Why cause that way we newbies can LEARN something, and perhaps even get to admire you people somehow, for your knowledge....

cya round..

Besides by me u are welcome to cross it anytime you like if you think the way you have showed to think...

[ShellyOFG]

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