Question for people who have bought from Rich (IbanezRules)...

[Gurj]

Originally Posted by Rich

Evidently I'm doing something wrong though because I get called rude and grumpy a lot.

I was only jesting when I called you grumpy earlier mate There was no malice intended and apologies if it came across like that.

[Rich]

Nah, but it's seen a lot, especially in the forum. Maybe it's a self perpetuating myth, like the airbrushed floral pattern. Once somebody says it then more believe it until it becomes it's own entity

[mike570]

I never thought of Rich as "grumpy". E-mail and internet text is not a good indicator of mood. Nothing beats talking to people in person, even to this day.

[EconoJ]

Originally Posted by jemsite

forget guitar center ... glen

ps - forum search should show similar threads (although this belongs in the vendor forum)

Can you send me the threads too?

Regards jorn

[moebius]

Originally Posted by EconoJ

Can you send me the threads too?

Regards jorn

Just do a search.

[JoshuaLogan]

Originally Posted by marianozz

If you do buy from Rich, be sure not to screw it the whole setup when you install the bareknuckles... A wise move would be ask him if he might install them for a fee and send them his way

Yeah, I was thinking about that too. I'd have to remove all the strings to get someone to change the pickups and that means resetting up the trem entirely, where as if they were already in I'd just change one string at a time to keep tension on it. It all depends on the price though. $90 to install pickups is a bit steep.... depends, I guess....

[JoshuaLogan]

Originally Posted by Rich

Nah, but it's seen a lot, especially in the forum. Maybe it's a self perpetuating myth, like the airbrushed floral pattern. Once somebody says it then more believe it until it becomes it's own entity

Well, it wasn't so much that I was expecting it or anything, but yeah I guess it was possibly partially to do with what I've seen from other people, but the whole caps lock thing and telling me I shouldn't have made this thread and comments like "if you want cheap, go be cheap!" and you know what people want and give it to them and such..... I dunno, you seemed pretty offended/pissed off, over something you really shouldn't have been. I don't think many people like someone insinuating that they are "cheap" just because they ask a few questions...

[gu1tar]

Originally Posted by Rich

That's my confusion is how so many people can translate "direct and to the point" with being rude.

There are a couple of problems I see here: insecurity on the part of the readers and the fact that you and Glen haven't figured out a way to have your posts show up with daisies in the background so that everyone knows that all your comments are syrupy and sweet.

It's hard to convey (or discern) true meaning or emotion in posts so the more insecure take bluntness as meanness. boohoo. But, if an asker/reader reads many posts from a person, they can get somewhat of a feel for how they are or whether they are trying to be inflammatory or not.

And it's certainly one of my pet peeve's that people here, who are on the internet to even BE here, can't take 2 seconds and do a google search to find something basic, but want to have others do their leg work for them, which I interpret as them not really not being serious about learning anything.

Originally Posted by Rich

But most of the time, you ask a question, i give a simple answer, and many times it may be a one word "yes" or "no". Why write more when that says it all?

So some may find you "rude" when they post some question that you've been asked 9,000 times and you tell them to read it on your site instead of the long walk holding hands and two-page detailed explanation they may treasure that daddy never gave them. (ok, that was a little heavy with sarcasm) AND they need to realize that you New Joisey types aren't predisposed to warm hugs and long walks.

Originally Posted by Rich

Anyway, when I coined the phrase "Pro Setup" [at least I thought I did, I hadn't read it that way before and it was an epiphany when I came up with it] to me it meant "setup to the standard any demanding professional player would be more than satisfied with" - ie. setup FOR a pro.. It had nothing to do with "setup BY a pro" [which just means, somebody that charged you]. Now the term means nothing and I read it more than not, and all it's saying is the later, it's been "adjusted" and you paid for it. Lately I've been calling it a Pro Rebuild, but that doesn't fit perfect either and many ask if I'm replacing the body etc. I'll have to wait for the next epiphany to sort that one out

The bottom line is that the more a player knows about setups, the more they know what a pain in the @ss and/or time-consuming it is to do, so they are willing to pay for it to be done. I do my own and I usually bitch a little while I do, because it isn't fun and does take a while. But anyone who believes that paying for a "professional" setup at GC (or most places) is anything more than a tune and mediocre intonation (unless they are reeeeeeeal lucky), is delusional and not likely someone you will have patience with or would want to do business with anyway. Right? I mean, isn't that what this is all about?:

Ibanez Rules reserves the right to refuse to do business with anybody and for any reason.

[JoshuaLogan]

Originally Posted by mike570

I never thought of Rich as "grumpy". E-mail and internet text is not a good indicator of mood. Nothing beats talking to people in person, even to this day.

Yeah... some people are better at showing their tone with their words than others I guess. It's possible I took it the wrong way, but it sure seemed like he was getting pissed about nothing...

Either way, the point of this thread was just to see whether the setups were really that good and how many people here were happy with them, and it looks like that answer has been covered. Thanks, guys.

[JoshuaLogan]

Originally Posted by gu1tar

There are a couple of problems I see here: insecurity on the part of the readers and the fact that you and Glen haven't figured out a way to have your posts show up with daisies in the background so that everyone knows that all your comments are syrupy and sweet.

It's hard to convey (or discern) true meaning or emotion in posts so the more insecure take bluntness as meanness. boohoo. But, if an asker/reader reads many posts from a person, they can get somewhat of a feel for how they are or whether they are trying to be inflammatory or not.

And it's certainly one of my pet peeve's that people here, who are on the internet to even BE here, can't take 2 seconds and do a google search to find something basic, but want to have others do their leg work for them, which I interpret as them not really not being serious about learning anything.



So some may find you "rude" when they post some question that you've been asked 9,000 times and you tell them to read it on your site instead of the long walk holding hands and two-page detailed explanation they may treasure that daddy never gave them. (ok, that was a little heavy with sarcasm) AND they need to realize that you New Joisey types aren't predisposed to warm hugs and long walks.




The bottom line is that the more a player knows about setups, the more they know what a pain in the @ss and/or time-consuming it is to do, so they are willing to pay for it to be done. I do my own and I usually bitch a little while I do, because it isn't fun and does take a while. But anyone who believes that paying for a "professional" setup at GC (or most places) is anything more than a tune and mediocre intonation (unless they are reeeeeeeal lucky), is delusional and not likely someone you will have patience with or would want to do business with anyway. Right? I mean, isn't that what this is all about?:

Ibanez Rules reserves the right to refuse to do business with anybody and for any reason.

lol... wow.....

I love all the assumptions here.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JoshuaLogan

Yeah, I was thinking about that too. I'd have to remove all the strings to get someone to change the pickups and that means resetting up the trem entirely, where as if they were already in I'd just change one string at a time to keep tension on it. It all depends on the price though. $90 to install pickups is a bit steep.... depends, I guess....

You pull the bridge with the strings on, but where did you get the $90? Cause if I replied that it's a typo. I uswually charge $25 each but I don't have a set price and I quote spur of the moment, what is required is a wiring diagram, I make it no secret that wiring is my weakest point [not soldering, just the figuring out how to wire it part]

Originally Posted by JoshuaLogan

Well, it wasn't so much that I was expecting it or anything, but yeah I guess it was possibly partially to do with what I've seen from other people, but the whole caps lock thing and telling me I shouldn't have made this thread and comments like "if you want cheap, go be cheap!" and you know what people want and give it to them and such..... I dunno, you seemed pretty offended/pissed off, over something you really shouldn't have been. I don't think many people like someone insinuating that they are "cheap" just because they ask a few questions...

namm08>hardware
zr is still ball bearing
you should haVE JUST DONE A FORUM SEARCH, THE MEMBERS GET PRETTY TIRED OF THESE OVER AND OVER WITH PRETTY MUCH ALL THE SAME REPLIES.
LIKE I SAID, IF YOU WANT CHEAP THEN BUY CHEAP. I KNOW WHAT THEY NEED AND YOU WON'T GET IT ANYWHERE ELSE. [sh!t, sorry] unless you're not that picky or don't mind projects.

The caps lock was a missed "a", the [sh!t, sorry] was an apology for it. The rest is just the blunt truth.

[Gurj]

Originally Posted by JoshuaLogan

Either way, the point of this thread was just to see whether the setups were really that good and how many people here were happy with them, and it looks like that answer has been covered. Thanks, guys.

Definately the best set-ups I have ever seen It's not an exaggeration. The reason I have returned to Rich as a customer a few times has a lot to do with that. I also appreciate Rich's honesty and he's always straight to the point.

[Rich]

I like long hugs and short walks, with babes, not dudes!

Originally Posted by gu1tar

Ibanez Rules reserves the right to refuse to do business with anybody and for any reason.

I had to add that after some yoyo that was being a total ass was demanding I sell him something, I just ended up blocking him. Business requires a mutual respect, if I'm not getting any then I'm surely not giving any, and the same should be true vice versa.

[JoshuaLogan]

Originally Posted by Rich

You pull the bridge with the strings on, but where did you get the $90? Cause if I replied that it's a typo. I uswually charge $25 each but I don't have a set price and I quote spur of the moment, what is required is a wiring diagram, I make it no secret that wiring is my weakest point [not soldering, just the figuring out how to wire it part

Ah. well I said I had bought a replacement HSH set for the guitar, and you had said $30 per pickup, so I figured you meant it...

Yeah, the more complicated wirings are definitely confusing. I was actually probably going to go with a particularly complicated one lol, because I wanted to get a push/pull pot to open up more options for coil splitting and inbetween tones using the middle single coil. Would you even be willing to do it for me? I could include the set of pickups and the push/pull pot along with the pack of strings (cause I'd definitely need different ones... probably 11-54's... C# Standard haha)

Tim from BK Pickups said he could send me over some wiring diagrams if I wanted him too... so that would make it easier....

[Gurj]

Originally Posted by Rich

I like long hugs and short walks, with babes, not dudes!

I should bloody well hope so!