S5470 vs SV5470F

JoshuaLogan · #1 01-19-2008, 10:16 PM

Okay, I know these are brand new and not even being sold yet, but I'm thrilled to finally be seeing some 24 fret S guitars being made... both the S5470 and the SV5470F seem very appealing to me, and I've already decided on selling my current guitar and buying one of them, but I don't know which one I want. I was looking for some pros and cons of each to help me decide. I know the major differences are the SV having a maple top and a variation of the ZR2 with no fine tuners and no locking nut..... so how exactly will this trem differ? Will it not be quite as capable of abuse as the ZR2 or what? The push pull pot thing on the SV is no big deal as I could easily have someone do that to the S5470... and I'm guessing the SV will be a little brighter sounding.... but bright sounding isn't bad, if it still sounds thick. I don't know, what do you guys think the main selling points for each is? I'm really excited for these guitars and planning on getting one ASAP.

ColinMmmmm · #2 01-19-2008, 10:39 PM

I'd think of the trem on the SV as a strat-style trem. It's also looking like it's got locking tuners. I'd go for the SV.

JoshuaLogan · #3 01-19-2008, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ColinMmmmm

I'd think of the trem on the SV as a strat-style trem. It's also looking like it's got locking tuners. I'd go for the SV.

Well it seems to be very similar to the trem I have on my current guitar... I have an Ernie Ball Music Man JP6.... The trem is floating, has no fine tuners, no locking nut, but locking tuners on the headstock. I think the SV is the same way... but the trem on my EBMM is not much different stability/abuse wise. I can still do plenty of wild stuff with it. I don't really notice much of a difference between it and a double locking design, to be honest....

ColinMmmmm · #4 01-20-2008, 01:43 AM

Yeah thats why I had recommended the SV - I mean it should be a great trem even if it's not fully floating or if it doesn't quite have the travel of the ZR2 - but with locking tuners it should be great. Plus you won't have to hassle with a locking nut/bridge every time you retune or change tunings. + + and + for the SV. I guess the finish could play a part in your decision . . .

Of Angels · #5 01-20-2008, 11:55 AM

The SV's trem is going to provide hassle free functionality. Remember, it DOES have the stabilization system in the cavity, which means that tuning issues are going to be significantly rarer compared to a traditional strat trem, or even the lovely trem on the Music Man JP models. The ZR2, on the S, is also sure to be an fantastic unit, but if you're considering it, it comes down to whether or not you want a double locking trem.

JoshuaLogan · #6 01-20-2008, 12:53 PM

So what exactly would be the advantages of having the double locking ZR2 trem on the S5470?

Rich · #7 01-20-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Of Angels

The SV's trem is going to provide hassle free functionality. Remember, it DOES have the stabilization system in the cavity, which means that tuning issues are going to be significantly rarer compared to a traditional strat trem, or even the lovely trem on the Music Man JP models. The ZR2, on the S, is also sure to be an fantastic unit, but if you're considering it, it comes down to whether or not you want a double locking trem.

The SV does not have the ZPS sprung bar system, it has an FX bolt which can be used to block the trem into a dive only mode.

Of Angels · #8 01-20-2008, 01:46 PM

Ah, I see. My memory is proving to be dangerous today, haha.

In any case - it still comes down to whether or not you want a floating bridge. You'll be able to do a LOT more with the ZR2, granted that you rely on a floating trem. I'm going to assume that you don't, being that you're trying to decide between these two models.

JoshuaLogan · #9 01-20-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Of Angels

Ah, I see. My memory is proving to be dangerous today, haha.

In any case - it still comes down to whether or not you want a floating bridge. You'll be able to do a LOT more with the ZR2, granted that you rely on a floating trem. I'm going to assume that you don't, being that you're trying to decide between these two models.

I do actually, but both of them are floating trems.....

Of Angels · #10 01-20-2008, 02:34 PM

I should say double locking, rather than floating. Granted that I haven't tried out the synchroniZR, I don't know well it holds tuning with abuse. But if the ZR2 is like the ZR, you won't have tuning issues with it.

ColinMmmmm · #11 01-20-2008, 02:49 PM

Yeah I think it's sort of a common sense thing - if you use the whammy a lot - get the one with the double-locking, drop it from a building and its still in tune trem. If not, get the SV cause you won't spend months of your life tuning the thing. Solved.

Rich · #12 01-20-2008, 05:01 PM

The only difference in the ZR2 is it has a redesigned arm holder with a push in bar.

JoshuaLogan · #13 01-20-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

The only difference in the ZR2 is it has a redesigned arm holder with a push in bar.

It looks like both of those have that. Push in bar with adjustable torque. But the ZPS is different on the syncroniZR... it doesn't have the little mechanism that pushes tension against you, but has a switch that switches back and forth between floating and non-floating.... actually seems more convenient if this non-double locking design could do everything the other trem could do. do you really think there's any benefit to the doublelocking ZR2 on the S5470 over the synchroniZR on the SV5470? just curious. I don't see much of a reason...

Rich · #14 01-20-2008, 06:15 PM

No switch, it has a bolt you'de screw into place to block upward trem movement. Also under the cover so it's not an on the fly, even if the cover was off [unless you had a few minutes]

The V still has a regualr nut. Locking tuners or not you will still have some friction and string binding no matter how perfect it's cut of lubed. The double locking system will have more consistent perfect return, but the V is built as a Vintage type supershreder and I'm sure it will do that extremely well.