What I Hate About Ibanez - Page 16

Jack Secret · #**226** 09-29-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Homebake

very true. 2 different people playing the exact same rig and settings could sound a world different. pick attack, vibrato and the way people phrase things differently affect stuff a lot.

just out of interest, EVH used a destroyer and an LP on the first VH album for rhythm?

I don't know if he used a LP but he indeed used WASP's Chris Holmes' Ibanez Destroyer on Van Halen 1. If information was as readily available as it is today, Ibanez may have gone after him and had him endorsing in the late 70's.

Far as Vai, it's all woulda coulda shoulda. Maybe Kramer could have gotten him before Ibanez did. Satch was playing a Kramer Pacer at the time so maybe he could have gone there as well. Let's just be happy it ended up as it did. Could you imagine Vai giving Kramer JEM specs? Kramer probably would have been "Look, just play this guitar, take your check and shut your mouth". Remember, Kramer almost bought Fender at one point. That would have been a disaster.

RedTiger · #**227** 09-29-2009, 11:38 AM

So far I see a lot of comments on tone about it being subjective and having more to do with the player. If this is in response to my comments about the "Ibanez tone", you're misunderstanding.

A Les Paul sounds like a Les Paul. A Strat sounds like a strat. There's just no denying that. I can listen to a recording and pick them out realtively easily -- that's what I mean by tone. If you think that SRV back in the day could pick up a Les Paul and play it through his normal rig and it would sound anything like Lenny or #1, sorry, that's wrong. You would be able to tell very easily if you knew what to listen to. If you think you could pick up either and sound exactly like him through his rig, you'd probably be wrong too.

That doesn't change the fact that guitars are different and will sound different, regardless of anything else.

Take your hands off the guitar, strum its open strings, and listen. You will hear the difference.

I haven't had as much experience with RGs as the others. I'm guessing if I played more of them, I'd notice a common "voice" between them all.

SilverEra · #**228** 09-29-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RedTiger

So far I see a lot of comments on tone about it being subjective and having more to do with the player. If this is in response to my comments about the "Ibanez tone", you're misunderstanding.

A Les Paul sounds like a Les Paul. A Strat sounds like a strat. There's just no denying that. I can listen to a recording and pick them out realtively easily -- that's what I mean by tone. If you think that SRV back in the day could pick up a Les Paul and play it through his normal rig and it would sound anything like Lenny or #1, sorry, that's wrong. You would be able to tell very easily if you knew what to listen to. If you think you could pick up either and sound exactly like him through his rig, you'd probably be wrong too.

That doesn't change the fact that guitars are different and will sound different, regardless of anything else.

Take your hands off the guitar, strum its open strings, and listen. You will hear the difference.

I haven't had as much experience with RGs as the others. I'm guessing if I played more of them, I'd notice a common "voice" between them all.

+1.

Prsdiezel · #**229** 12-16-2009, 03:13 PM

I'm sure someone else has post this but, BASSWOOD BODIES!

Agent540 · #**230** 12-16-2009, 03:26 PM

I'm a fan of mahogany bodies and I don't like much basswood ones.
But you cannot deny that one of the best compromise weight/sound/cost is basswood

RedTiger · #**231** 12-16-2009, 03:35 PM

Basswood or Alder, no mahogany, not even on a J Custom.

Mahogany + figured maple top? Paul Reed Smith is that way =>

eviltwin · #**232** 12-17-2009, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RedTiger

Basswood or Alder, no mahogany, not even on a J Custom.

Mahogany + figured maple top? Paul Reed Smith is that way =>

rubbish, all three currently available J-Customs are mahogany:

neck type 5pcs Maple/Walnut j.custom neck
body Flamed Maple top/African Mahogany body
fingerboard Rosewood fingerboard

and most flametop J-Customs have been exactly that. Now if you had said: "No ebony", I would've been with you...

RedTiger · #**233** 12-17-2009, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by eviltwin

rubbish, all three currently available J-Customs are mahogany:

neck type 5pcs Maple/Walnut j.custom neck
body Flamed Maple top/African Mahogany body
fingerboard Rosewood fingerboard

and most flametop J-Customs have been exactly that. Now if you had said: "No ebony", I would've been with you...

Mahogany on a three J Customs? Rubbish? You're telling me! I agree that its rubbish. Sucks don't it? (reading comprehension ftw! Or maybe, me writing more clearly ftw?)

Don't like ebony? Ebony is next to godlyness.

It takes all the awesome things I prefer about rosewood with a dash of the tonal things I like about maple. Plus, it looks awesome. Especially with mother of pearl sharktooth/fin inlays.

jym-ellis · #**234** 12-17-2009, 10:02 AM

my s7420 is mahogony with a flame maple top and i love it. the thing i hate about ibanez is that they are now the only guitar i will play (thanx for spoiling me iby)

eviltwin · #**235** 12-17-2009, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RedTiger

Or maybe, me writing more clearly ftw?

the thread is What I Hate About Ibanez,
so if you meant something else you should've written something else indeed.

corey j grieve · #**236** 12-17-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RedTiger

Basswood or Alder, no mahogany, not even on a J Custom.

Mahogany + figured maple top? Paul Reed Smith is that way =>

WTF are you on about! The 2009 catalog contains a total of 15 models in Basswood, 42 Mahogany!!!!

AxeHappy · #**237** 12-17-2009, 01:37 PM

He's saying he doesn't want mahogany. And that if you do want mahogany with a flamed maple cap go get a PRS.

I'd much rather have basswood than Alder. Alder is too bright for my taste.

6fingers · #**238** 12-17-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AxeHappy

Alder is too bright for my taste.

So...............don't amps,pedals,processors,pups whatever have an equalizer?
I mean not buying a guitar ONLY because a type of wood has more treble is like saying all gear that comes after your guitar add nothing to tone.
Well everything after a pup is tone.
Wood in a SOLID ELECTRIC guitar is 1% of its tone.
What we really hear is pups,effects and amp.
Nope?
OK so play without them.

RedTiger · #**239** 12-17-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by eviltwin

the thread is What I Hate About Ibanez,
so if you meant something else you should've written something else indeed.

AxeHappy is correct.

Let me say it in plain English: I'd rather have the body be made of chedder cheese than mahogany on an RG. Mahogany for an RG is like having a Ferrari with an automatic transmission and seating for five. It doesn't fit. You want super-strat? You get alder, basswood, or maybe maple if you can swing it. Ash might not be a bad choice here either, I wouldn't ridicule this choice, but it isn't for me.

Key word is super-strat. Not super-lester, not super-mccarty. STRAT. Go research its origins. It was an attempt to take the comfortable, light, bright Fender Stratocaster and inject some of the thick tone of a Gibson by putting on a humbucker in the bridge. That is a beautiful balance that is severely hampered by adding mahogany to the mix.

I HATE the fact that Ibanez chooses this wood for all but a few of their highest of the high-end guitars. Its as if its like "whoosh!" totally over their heads as to why this is seriously screwing up the equation.

Until this is fixed, J Customs to me are really beautiful, really expensive RG-shaped PRS copies. Thats just how I feel.

GuitarBizarre · #**240** 12-17-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 6fingers

So...............don't amps,pedals,processors,pups whatever have an equalizer?
I mean not buying a guitar ONLY because a type of wood has more treble is like saying all gear that comes after your guitar add nothing to tone.
Well everything after a pup is tone.
Wood in a SOLID ELECTRIC guitar is 1% of its tone.
What we really hear is pups,effects and amp.
Nope?
OK so play without them.

With that kind of reasoning, why bother to put fine tuners on a guitar with a trem? I mean, you can just undo the locking nut and tune it there.

OH WAIT.

As for 1% of the tone, thats total bull****.

Heres a few tone 'myths' that people LOVE trotting out.

1 - Tone is in the fingers - Yeah, kinda. Its also in your equipment. An LP sounds completely different to a paul with the same player.
2 - ANYONE who says that one part of a guitar contributes x percentage to tone. I'm sorry, but **** no. It all contributes to tone in different ways depending on construction and pickups and build quality and bridge type and hundreds of other variables.
3 - Its possible to get vintage trems to stay in tune as well as locking trems if you use graphite nuts and locking tuners and etc. - No it isn't. They STILL have the EXACT same problems, just LESS.