Wizard I neck, the elusive profile?!?

[Scali]

Originally Posted by Rich

The onle on the LEFT is a tenon, I'm not blind, I just know what a tenon is. And the one on the right is not [and the one on the right is what the SG is]

They're both tenons, only the size is different (left is original Les Paul spec, right is modern Les Paul spec, aka long vs short).
And I can clearly see a tenon protruding from under the part of the body that broke off in the SG pictures, which goes INTO the body in the slot that goes up to the neck pickup cavity. So it's clearly going INTO the body, not ONTO the body.

Originally Posted by Rich

That's absolutely no more than putting glue on a bolt on instead of using screws. In fact it probably has right about the same surface contact area.

Not at all, firstly the position of the join to the body is different. Secondly, the heel is on the neck, not on the body. Thirdly, most of the join area is on the side of the tenon, not on the bottom. The tenon is actually jammed into the body.
Funny how you can see many more differences than there really are when it suits you, but are oblivious to obvious differences when they oppose you.

[GAZ]

Steve Vai broke a few necks ?? lol !!! Like he's gonna worry and say 'Oooh I'd better not have a set neck or neck thru as my Signature guitar then ! '
That Steve Vai, he's so considerate to his guitar techs.............

Petrucci, Vai, Satriani et al, must be wrong coz Scali is right. Yeah right. The guitar manufacturers would make whatever they wanted them to make. Ibanez for instance make neck thru RG's, but not for our Stevie, no siree.

[jim777]

Polite discussion here folks, let's keep the tempers in check.

[Scali]

Originally Posted by GAZ

Steve Vai broke a few necks ?? lol !!! Like he's gonna worry and say 'Oooh I'd better not have a set neck or neck thru as my Signature guitar then ! '
That Steve Vai, he's so considerate to his guitar techs.............

Petrucci, Vai, Satriani et al, must be wrong coz Scali is right. Yeah right. The guitar manufacturers would make whatever they wanted them to make. Ibanez for instance make neck thru RG's, but not for our Stevie, no siree.

There are also various examples of Steve Vai getting very attached to something as simple as a pickup... and why doesn't he just get another Jem7VWH when his Evo is nearly ripped in two?
We don't know, it's all possible. Trying to ridicule a different point-of-view is rather narrowminded and lacking respect.

I never said anyone is wrong for choosing bolt-on. In fact, some of my favourite guitars are bolt-on. So obviously I don't think it's wrong to choose a bolt-on.
Why are you guys acting like a bunch of irrational bolt-on fundamentalists?

[Rich]

Rubbish. They may call it a tenon but it isn't in the true sense of the term. It isn't any more than an oddly shaped neck heel. You might as well call any neck heel a "tenon" if that example passes. And any glued in bolt on that had a decent pocket would have MORE glue contact area, because the sides of the neck are glued and so is the base. The Les Paul joint passes INTO the body past the end of the neck. To me that's a true tenon and has it's advantages in structure. Just like DTM takes that thru tenon even further and mounts the neck pickup in it.

[Scali]

Originally Posted by Rich

Rubbish. They may call it a tenon but it isn't in the true sense of the term.

According to dictionary.com:
"a projection formed on the end of a timber or the like for insertion into a mortise of the same dimensions."

Looks like it's perfectly conforming to the definition of a tenon.

[Rich]

Then according to that definition any neck heel is a tenon......

[Scali]

Originally Posted by Rich

Then according to that definiteion any neck heel is a tenon......

No, because not all of them have the projection/protrusion.
Aside from that, the mortise part is also fundamental to the set-neck construction. Most neck pockets wouldn't qualify for that either.

[Rich]

Neck heel itself is a protrusion. Pocket itself is a mortise. It may not fit your definiton perfect but I'm not really that chuffed if it doesn't

[Scali]

Originally Posted by Rich

Neck heel itself is a protrusion. Pocket itself is a mortise. It may not fit your definiton perfect but I'm not really that chuffed if it doesn't

Here's a tip then... Buy those cheap Epihone SGs and Les Pauls with the bolt-on neck, glue them on, and sell them as true set-necks, with a nice profit. Nobody will know the difference anyway, right?

[Rich]

Absolutely. About as much difference as a 1986 Roadstar and a JEM, right?

[Scali]

Originally Posted by Rich

Absolutely. About as much difference as a 1986 Roadstar and a JEM, right?

Unlike you I never implied they'd play or sound the same in any way. I just said that they're about the same guitar to manufacture, just some modified routing patterns.

[Rich]

Yea, they wouldn't play or sound any different. The only thing they have in common is they're bolt on and double cutaway. Eveidently to you that makes them exactly the same.

[Scali]

Originally Posted by Rich

Yea, they wouldn't play or sound any different. The only thing they have in common is they're bolt on and double cutaway. Eveidently to you that makes them exactly the same.

Why don't we take this private, because this isn't getting anywhere.

[Ayrton]

Originally Posted by Scali

Why are you guys acting like a bunch of irrational bolt-on fundamentalists?

The only person here who is being irrational is yourself.

You are welcome to your opinion, but do get worked up when others poke holes in your beliefs.