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[ELicari]

Originally Posted by jemsite

Sounds like an obvious troll but i'll tackle this dope point by point w/o the Ibanez spin....


INCORRECT. The JS2000 is not a "cheaply made" import. He sounds unfamiliar with Ibanez and is lumping the MIJ axes with the JS100 and lower axes made in Korea, China or wherever.

But this is precisely why the JS100/JEM555 need to be eliminated worldwide.


INCORRECT. Neck thru is no holy grail (see RGT3120, etc.) neither is "ebony". You can spot a Carvin (and older VWH) zealot by their fascination with "ebony". Either way you don't get any "handmade USA custom shop" usa guitars for anywhere close to $1200 new.


INCORRECT The cost of these bodies are negligible in mass-production. It's not like you're saving $100 using a basswood or alder body.


Plays well but... but..... but. LOL. Necks are very important part of the guitar, yet this guy more or less dismisses that with the back-handed compliment.



Does he consider tone of a guitar important?


Here is where the B.S. really starts to fly. Does the JS2000 have a plastic nut? It's a double locking fixed bridge so plastic is irrelevant. Tuners are not cheap... very good actually for a double-locker. The bridge is a STUPID design, but certanly not "cheap"... it's high quality. Fretwork is NOT inconnsistent. Woods again... blah


He lost all credibility here. Totally out of touch with the market. He's not sound like such a dummy if he said maybe $899 or 999.





USA handmade... LOL. All major brands are "mass-produced". Incorrect on the cheap import label.


Wonder what he says about Gibson?


First (and last) thing he said that was correct.


Time has thus far proven otherwise but that is irrelevant to judging a quality guitar or not... glen

Well there you`ll have it!!!!!!! *lol* Thanks Jemsite!!!!!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by jemsite

Sounds like an obvious troll but i'll tackle this dope point by point w/o the Ibanez spin....

Did you actually get out of the right side of the bed this morning?!

[Robotechnology]

Just in case some people may not know but... highend guys like Tom Anderson & John Suhr ($3K guitars) use basswood and their guitars sound awesome as we very well know!

[jemsite]

Originally Posted by Rich

Did you actually get out of the right side of the bed this morning?!

Not that I remember

You should know I have a 0.001% tollerance for absolute ibanez homers but an even smaller tollerance for uninformed romanoff wanna-be trolls ...glen

[Flobanez]

Originally Posted by Tom Gilroy

This is what I mean. Pure bull****.

BC Rich 7 string VS Ibanez 7 String Universe

By Ed Roman July 1999

The Ibanez is a good production guitar but the BC Rich is truly a hand made guitar made entirely in the USA.

Neck Through Body Construction
The Ibanez is strictly a bolt on neck. The bolt in is always a Maple neck with a Rosewood fingerboard. Personally I favor the neck through the body construction like BC Rich pioneered in the 70’s. It can never break and it is ultimately stable. I have repaired over 50 broken Ibanez necks in the past 10 years. A neck through body is much less susceptible to any dead spots on the neck. There is simply more mass and the pickups are mounted right in the neck which adds greatly to sustain. One false myth about a neck through body is that if the neck breaks or warps really badly you have to throw the guitar away. I disagree based on the fact that for the last 28 years I have only seen that happen once and it was on a Jackson 5 string Bass which was built top-heavy anyway. Also if you have to replace an Ibanez neck you might as well throw the guitar away anyway because the cost will be so astronomical to do the job that it simply won't pay. This myth was probably started by guitar manufacturers who did not want to bear the extra expense of offering a " neck through body" guitar.
Multiple Fingerboard Choices
Ibanez Guitars all come with standard rosewood fingerboards so does the least expensive BC Rich But on a BC Rich you can have Brazilian Rosewood, Ebony, Maple, Pau Ferro, Wenge, Snakewood, Kingwood, Morado or just about anything because it's a Custom made Guitar.
Body Binding
The Ibanez does not offer binding on any of the models except an occasional limited edition. There is nothing really bad about that except the high cost of the Ibanez justifies this extra luxury. The BC Rich can be fully bound for about $100.00 and this finishing touch looks very nice.
Neck Binding
Ibanez has seen fit not to bind their necks. No harm done, But nothing looks better than a jet black Ebony fingerboard with a nice smooth white binding. Bound necks feel nice in your hand and if done properly they will last a lifetime. Something to consider. The BC Rich neck can be either. It costs more if you want the binding but even with the binding the BC Rich almost always will come in at a lower price than the Ibanez.
Headstock Binding
Ibanez does not bind most of their headstocks even though for years a sure sign of a premium guitar was the headstock binding. Again no harm done but cosmetically the binding on the BC Rich wins every time. Remember the Ibanez usually costs considerably more and to me that definitely justifies cosmetic appointments like neck & body binding.
Wider and Better Selection of Body Woods
Ibanez limits their body woods to Basswood, This is very cost effective and is necessary for a production guitar company to be able to survive in today's economic marketplace. You can have any kind of wood you desire on the BC Rich The wood choices are almost limitless.
Wider and Better Selection of Neck Woods
Ibanez offers maple construction on their necks however BC Rich offers maple or mahogany and more such as Hawaiian Koa which along with African Korina are probably the most resonant woods available for a neck to be constructed of.
All Access Neck Joint, No Heel
BC Rich was probably the first company to offer a heel-less smooth neck joint back in the early 70’s, yes Gibson offered an almost heel-less one on their 1961 and 62 SG but that went away. Paul Reed Smith had probably one of the easiest to play designs up until 1995 when they switched to a massively large and grotesque monster heel. I was a bona fide PRS lover until that happened. Ibanez never even tried to do anything other than bolt on the neck to a large flange that protrudes from the body and gets directly in your way.
Rosewood Overlay and Inlaid Logo on Headstock
Ibanez Never overlays the headstock they simply paint them. BC Rich will overlay with a premium piece of rosewood. Again I feel that the BC Rich method of inlaying their logo on the headstock is by far the most classy looking. They are one of the few companies who do this on their guitars anymore.
Multiple Brand Name Pickup Choices
Ibanez offers only Dimarzio pickups. Personally I hate Dimarzio Pickups. On the BC Rich you can have any pickup you want.

That man talks out of his arse. And the sad thing is that people believe him. I wonder how much BC Rich pay him.

I've read that too a while back. Pure BS is right. I'd choose the UV over any BC Rich anyday.

[Jemwielder]

Absolute misinformation and snobbery! Where's my rocket launcher!!!!!!!!

[onewhiteduck]

Ed Roman's articles sound like book reports written by a grade schooler.

"I like BC Rich a lot more than Ibanez. You can get any wood you want on a BC Rich. You can also get any pickup. This is why I recommend this book...I mean BC Rich."

[HDS]

Yuk! I hate BC Rich, even with strawberries!

[jallen]

Originally Posted by ELicari

I think he`s into Parker guitars!!!!!! The forum was from a metal band under musicians/gear topic!!!! He also slams Fender,Gibson and PRS!!!!

Which would be really funny now that Washburn bought Parker and has shipped so much of their manufacturing overseas.

[yngvai]

Forget Gibson, BC Rich, Parker & all those other manufacturers. Lets compare these to the one american axe that comes closest to JS/JEM features: USA Jackson Soloists.

I've owned a SL-2H. New 3 years ago it went for 1350. Alder with flame maple top. Beautiful guitar. Very solid, well built guitar with truly top of the line components. (humor me for a moment )

Lets compare to these to JS/JEM...

You can't. No comparison. At that level it boils down to taste & preference.

Honestly though, when I see the prices on JS/JEM guitars... I have to really look hard at Soloists.

[btangel]

I was chuckling at the customs for $1200 part.

[bpd111]

Originally Posted by jim777

Please! Fantastic used Carvins have all the things he's mentioned and go for far less than 1200. You may not want to agree with all his points (especially when he points out poplar as a superior tonewood to alder for cryin' out loud) but a few of his points are certainly valid. It's a bolt together guitar. Is the JS so good it's worth the price of 3 or 4 RG770's? But then again, people buy new RG270's for the same price as a used 550 or 570. People buy Jay Tursers for the price of used Ibanezes. People buy what they want, and assume they've paid what the item is worth, without always giving any thought to it.

Part of the price of the JS-2000 is undoubtedly because Joe gets a cut, as it is an Artist model. But is it worth the money? That's not a slam dunk "of course it is!" We used to comment here on how much better the JCRG8670 was than the 7VWH, same thing here. If it says JS or Jem on it, you're paying above what it might otherwise cost partly because Ibanez is sending a cut to Joe or Steve (or simply because they can). I mean, we all know this already folks, right?

I knew someone would mention Carvin. I've heard good and bad.

[Phillip]

Originally Posted by Robotechnology

Just in case some people may not know but... highend guys like Tom Anderson & John Suhr ($3K guitars) use basswood and their guitars sound awesome as we very well know!

Yep, Suhr thinks baswood with maple top is a holy grail of tone!

[jim777]

Ibanez has in the past made a distinction between basswood and american basswood, so it's likely that two different types of wood get lumped together for some discussions.

[Flobanez]

Originally Posted by HDS

Yuk! I hate BC Rich, even with strawberries!

Agreed. Although, I've always liked the Mockingbird that Slash used to play.
The Ironbird that Trey from Morbid Angel has is cool too.