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[HDS]

Originally Posted by Flobanez

Agreed. Although, I've always liked the Mockingbird that Slash used to play.
The Ironbird that Trey from Morbid Angel has is cool too.

It could just be me. I have only played a Warlock, clunky. The body being what it is and the neck fretting was like playing a spine. I feel the same about Jacksons and Kramers too. Stiff. But it comes down to the player really. "The best gutar in the world is the one you like to play."

[screamndemon69]

i always like it when 'ole Roman comes up aroung here, it's like throwing lit firecrackers in a bull pen! LOL!

[Shep]

Well it sounds like he know's what he is talking about....lol.....wat a load of bull...

i don't think you can put most ibanez modeles and cheap sounding in the same sentence...lol

Shep

[ELicari]

Thanks for all the posts everyone!!!! I feel better now!!!! *lol*
I dont care what anyone says,the JS is an awesome guitar!

[Rodney James]

hm. I know someone who would like to cutt heads with this guy, the dude can bring any fleet of USA made guitars he wants, and this head cutter i know will play one Ibanez with a floating trem, lets see who stays in tune and holds the hottest tone! Once the duel is over, lets take each guitar apart screw by screw and see which holds the top quality standards.

[Drew]

Originally Posted by Tom Gilroy

BC Rich 7 string VS Ibanez 7 String Universe

By Ed Roman July 1999

Body Binding
The Ibanez does not offer binding on any of the models except an occasional limited edition. There is nothing really bad about that except the high cost of the Ibanez justifies this extra luxury. The BC Rich can be fully bound for about $100.00 and this finishing touch looks very nice.
Neck Binding
Ibanez has seen fit not to bind their necks. No harm done, But nothing looks better than a jet black Ebony fingerboard with a nice smooth white binding. Bound necks feel nice in your hand and if done properly they will last a lifetime. Something to consider. The BC Rich neck can be either. It costs more if you want the binding but even with the binding the BC Rich almost always will come in at a lower price than the Ibanez.
Headstock Binding
Ibanez does not bind most of their headstocks even though for years a sure sign of a premium guitar was the headstock binding. Again no harm done but cosmetically the binding on the BC Rich wins every time. Remember the Ibanez usually costs considerably more and to me that definitely justifies cosmetic appointments like neck & body binding.

http://www.jemsite.com/axes/model/uv777bk.htm

WTF? Did he actually PLAY the UV he was reviewing (in '99 it'd have been the 777bk), or even bother to, you know, look at one or two pictures?

I know, I know, it's Ed Roman, I should expect this. But it still cracks me up.

[red5]

Originally Posted by jemsite

Wonder what he says about Gibson?

Or PRS or ESP if you want overpriced...

[red5]

Originally Posted by Rich

Know why Carvins go for so much less? Because they have no resale value!!

Haha right on!!!!

[red5]

Originally Posted by ELicari

This is someones response to me on another forum after i told him about how good my Ibanez JS2000 is!!!!!!

"No man. You're missing the point. The JS2000 may be okay, but you're paying Custom Shop / USA Handmade prices for a cheaply made import. It's not even an opinion thing. I know all about these companies and how their products are developed.

For $1239.99 you should be getting neck-thru construction, ebony fretboards, Sperzel tuners, quality nuts, a flame/quilt top or otherwise non-solid color finish, high quality body and neck woods (like mahogany, poplar, korina, etc...not cheap-ass basswood or alder).

I mean seriously....Ibanez have great necks, so yes they play well. That particular model also has good DiMarzio pickups I believe, so it probably sounds good too. But it's still a bolt-on, constructed with cheap basswood and Indian rosewood boards. Cheap components like plastic nuts, indian rosewood (instead of ebony, brazillian rosewood, etc), cheap tuners (no Sperzels here!), cheap bridges, inconsistent fretwork, etc.

I seriously have a problem with some people's ignorance. There are many ignorant metalheads out there who get base everything they know about guitars, or in his case THINK they know about guitars to Jackson/ESP, where the budget models are CHEAP bolt ons and the more expensive models are neck thru, and thus they think bolt ons are always cheap which is far from the case.

Same deal with rosewood vs ebony vs maple. On some guitars ebony may sound better, but play a Les Paul with an ebony fretboad back to back with a LP with rosewood, there is no comparison! And an ignorant fool like this would try to tell me that the EVH Wolfgang is crap because it has a maple fretboard and not ebony (which is a big part of that guitar's tone!).

Additionally, since some US based companies send all their budget models to Japan or Korea for cheap labor, some fools like him have a hard time accepting other countries actually make good instruments.

All of this would be fine if it weren't for the fact Ibanez is charging prices on the same level as USA made or Custom guitars. If your JS2000 was $499 instead of $1239.99 that would be one thing. But it's not. Dude I have owned maybe 30 USA/Custom guitars, never did I pay as much as the JS2000 costs new at stores these days. THERES NO EXCUSE FOR THIS.

I might be going off on a limb here, but I think this guy is a lying piece of ****. Just to get a "custom shop" guitar from most companies is going to run you well over $2000, and the last time I checked $2000 is a lot more than the $1250 for a js2000.

Sure the JS2000 is a nice guitar, but not for a USA handmade price when it's a mass-produced cheap import. Ibanez is a rip-off company yet people flock to their gear because they have so many celebrity endorsements and they are fads."

All I have left to tell him is keep buying your ESPs because Kirk Hammet endorses them.

"Ignorance is Bliss" -1984

[red5]

Originally Posted by ELicari

Thanks for all the posts everyone!!!! I feel better now!!!! *lol*
I dont care what anyone says,the JS is an awesome guitar!

It is...

For the record a lot of these US neck-thru ebony fretboard guitars have a major buzzing problem even at high action and have a dead sound to them.

I was playing a Jackson US Soloist SL1 model when trying out a Peavey Classic 50. The local store all of a sudden has really good prices on their Jacksons and the price new was around $1500 (and that's not even custom shop yet!). But every second of it I wished I was playing my Jem instead :P

[nickcoumbe]

OK, slightly off topic.

I would love to own a BC Rich, I love the lok of them. However every sinlge one I have played is just as HDS "clunky". Even my guitar tech (who never has to work hard to sell me a guitar) says that they need a lot of work to play even half decent. I am sure that a hand made USA custom is a thing of beauty, but my impression is that of all the mid range rock axes, Ibanes seem to be the most consistent, and probably the best.

Also I have a Neck thru Charvel, that blew away my RG, but is not as good as my Jem. Neck thru is not the Holy Grail.

[ELicari]

And about the bolt-on thing......Tom Anderson guitars are bolt-on and i`ve never seen one for under $2,500!!!!!!

[red5]

^^ Some people don't understand that.

[Chud]

Hmm, custom guitars for $1200? That guy really is living in a dream world. If custom guitars were $1200, we'd all have custom Ibanez guitars and their production models would be obsolete.

Last time i got a quote for a custom job, it was way over this figure. I was talking to a British guy about an 8-string custom and it came to around $3700 and upwards (just a random estimate, it was around £2000+). LGM are more or less double this guys $1200 and ESP... Well, they're not exactly cheap

As for his review on the Universe and BC Rich... Well that's utter bollocks as far as i can see. The guy didn't even look at one let alone listen to it and seems hellbent on sticking with cosmetic and luxery features. Talking about not having binding and such? Errr... The UV777BK does have binding?

And lets face it, Ibanez were the first to make a 7 (well, mass produced anyway) and in my opinion the best. B.C Rich is an alright brand, they're just no Universe when it comes to 7-strings. I'm also quite sure a BC Rich custom wouldn't be $1200

[Chud]

Oh and to add... If people flock to Ibanez because of the endorsers, then why do the endorsers flock to Ibanez?

For money? Fame? A little bit more advertising? Bleh, none of that as far as i can see.
Steve Vai has been using the EVO and FLO for how long now? It just goes to show (that despite how many repairs they've had) that those guitars were built to last. He uses them specifically because he likes them. I'm sure he would have been offered top class custom job one offs but he doesn't use them right? He uses the standard Jem.

He even says himself "I can go into a guitar shop, pick up a Jem of the top of the wall, play it and i'm playing my fravorite guitar" or whatever. Just goes to show that it's not a fad. Even rich buggers use them