I.D. 'ing a Satch... - Page 3

Red43j · #31 07-09-2008, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by stratoskier

Hey Red43j -- I love that orange! Do you happen to know exactly what paint he used? (The color code would be most helpful). I have a guitar that would be very happy with that color.
Cheers,
Bert

It was House of Color paint. The orange was Ultra Orange. Honestly, the pics are so vastly different from seeing it. Its still an awesome color. -Red43j

Red43j · #32 07-09-2008, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibateur

Red, did your luthier notice that the trem posts have been moved?

The edge trem has different post positions relative to the Lo TRS.

As far as we can tell, the posts were never moved. I have a pic of it right after all the paint was stripped, if that might help...

Drew · #33 07-09-2008, 12:18 PM

An OFR should be a drop-in replacement, but you can probably go back to a LoPro or an Edge - the studs look like the originals.

What's the baseplate say on the bass string side? That would settle the identification of the trem, it probably has a model name. There's something there, but with "liscensed under..." stamped on the whale tail part, my money says it won't say "Floyd Rose."

Red43j · #34 07-09-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew

An OFR should be a drop-in replacement, but you can probably go back to a LoPro or an Edge - the studs look like the originals.

What's the baseplate say on the bass string side? That would settle the identification of the trem, it probably has a model name. There's something there, but with "liscensed under..." stamped on the whale tail part, my money says it won't say "Floyd Rose."

Its an Ibanez Lo Trem II. I have to be honest, I'm really disappointed in how this thing isn't together like it should. I believe that it probably was put together out of spare parts, and thats how the body received the nick on the high tremolo side. I still want to get the proper trem, but money is tight right now. I traded a perfectly good guitar for this...how disappointing.

Ibateur · #35 07-09-2008, 05:37 PM

Check this tutorial out. Unfortunately you might need a repaint, if you're going to reroute the trem cavity.

http://www.projectguitar.com/tut/trs2lopro.htm

It could very well be that the trem posts are original edge as Drew said. They do look like Edge posts. I guess you'd be able to confirm that by using the smallest allen wrench in the trem post hole to see if you find a locking screw. If you do, then it's an edge post, which is at least a positive. You'd only have to decide on rerouting to edge dimensions.

Good luck

Drew · #36 07-09-2008, 06:20 PM

They're definitely Edge posts. Look at them, they look nothing like Lo-TRSII posts (which is what your trem is, dude).

The LoTRS has Floyd-style angled posts, while the Edge's are straight on the sides.

On a seven string, at least, I can confirm with 100% certainty that any trem route designed to support both the Edge7 and the LoPro Edge 7 will also hold an OFR7 with only the most minimal of work - I just had to sand off a sliver of paint from the treble side. I see no reason why the 6 string trems shouldn't be the same, and after trying one I'm a total OFR convert. Besides, they're cheaper than the Ibanez trems, strangely.

You can also use Ibanez posts with the OFR.

jazzedout · #37 07-09-2008, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Red43j

Its an Ibanez Lo Trem II. I have to be honest, I'm really disappointed in how this thing isn't together like it should. I believe that it probably was put together out of spare parts, and thats how the body received the nick on the high tremolo side. I still want to get the proper trem, but money is tight right now. I traded a perfectly good guitar for this...how disappointing.

Although the picture of the neck cavity shows JS1000, the trem route (as Ibateur pointed out with the tutorial) needs to be enlarged in order to fit an Edge or LoPro.
So, I can't see someone taking a JS1000 body with the Edge routing and filling the back sides of the tremolo route to make it smaller to fit a TRS trem. Even if that was the case you would have found filler traces when you sanded the body. I am afraid that all pointers show it to be a JS100 body. The TRS tremolo route, the JS100 pickups, even the silver hardware (only found in the original JS1 and the later JS100 if I am not mistaken. THe JS1000 has cosmo hardware).
The only mystery is why it has JS1000 stamped on it.
I am not trying to be smart or anything, I am just stating the facts that make me believe it to be a JS100 body...

Red43j · #38 07-09-2008, 07:51 PM

jazzed-
The Route was fixed after the paint was stripped, so that might explain why. Hope that makes sense...

Red43j · #39 07-09-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzedout

Although the picture of the neck cavity shows JS1000, the trem route (as Ibateur pointed out with the tutorial) needs to be enlarged in order to fit an Edge or LoPro.
So, I can't see someone taking a JS1000 body with the Edge routing and filling the back sides of the tremolo route to make it smaller to fit a TRS trem. Even if that was the case you would have found filler traces when you sanded the body. I am afraid that all pointers show it to be a JS100 body. The TRS tremolo route, the JS100 pickups, even the silver hardware (only found in the original JS1 and the later JS100 if I am not mistaken. THe JS1000 has cosmo hardware).
The only mystery is why it has JS1000 stamped on it.
I am not trying to be smart or anything, I am just stating the facts that make me believe it to be a JS100 body...

And I know your not trying to be a wise ass. :-)

Red43j · #40 07-09-2008, 07:58 PM

Heres what Dino stated when i posted pics on another forums:

To fix the damage, I lifted the split wood, applied TiteBond and clamped it overnight.
Then I used masking tape to form my mold of the missing piece and filled it with marine epoxy.
This stuff works great for repairs like this.
Dolphin Glaze and/or Bondo is okay for filling scratches, but for structural repairs, I prefer using either real wood or this stuff. With the damage being so minor, I figured this was the better route.

And here's the finished repair ...

Red43j · #41 07-10-2008, 12:33 AM

I emailed Dino and heres what he said:
The original route on the body was shaped for an OFR ... no doubt in my mind.
If you look at the pictures of the repair stages, you'll see that I initially made the repair to match the original OFR shaped route.
But then when I went ti test fit the trem before painting it, I could tell the damage was caused by the TRS shaped baseplate so I reshaped the route to accomodate the tremolo that was on the guitar. So it's understandable that alot of folks on the JEMsite are a little confused.

Maybe I should have checked with you first before changing the shape of the route, but I honestly never thought to even question whether or not that was the "correct" tremolo for that guitar. I just assumed it was the trem that went with the guitar and did what I thought I had to in order to make a good repair and to prevent the same thing from happening again.

Just FYI, the trem posts were never moved.
I know that was mentioned in that thread too, but that was not the case.

Ibateur · #42 07-10-2008, 08:49 AM

"Ah, Dino, my friend... you should have asked me indeed. Because now, you have to repair the "damage" so that I can put an Edge trem on it. Because you didn't ask me, I expect that you will be happy to discuss how not charging me will maintain our good relationship."

Just kidding.

Red43j · #43 07-11-2008, 04:36 PM

So let me review this thread so I make sure I understand all of you (please don't take any of this as attitude, I'm just merely stating facts and asking questions).

I buy an Damaged Ibanex Joe Satriani, assuming its a 1000. It has a chip near the trem arm. Send it out to someone I keep in contact with who does awesome work with repairs and repaints. Get it back, looks great. Start prodding around, trying to find out details regarding this Satch. Find out from Dino (guy who repainted/repaired) that he believed the trem was not the proper trem. Because of this, it took a chip out of the body.

For awhile, we have no idea of just what trem this is. someone points out that we should look at the side opposite of the trem arm to see what model of trem it is. Low and behold, we find out its a Lo TRS II, a trem known for being on cheaper guitars, and really being a so so trem. Many believe that the guitar is in fact, a 100 JS, because of this trem. A few point out that no JS was made in the 100 model with the Black Pearl paint scheme, but some still believe it to be a 100. From the sound of a few people on here, it sounds like it may have been a guitar put together out of parts acquired, possibly from the 'bay.

I get to wondering just what the deal is with this guitar. I take the screwdriver to the neck plate and find stamped on the body

even though its a lite stamping, you can make out the stamp reading that its a 1000 body. Some still believe it to be a 100. i'm not convinced. I think its a 1000. I also took a look under the neck and it was stamped JS 1000 (sorry, no pics). I also took the time to remove the PU rings and see just what PU's were in the body. Low and behold,the bridge PU has a sticker, labeled AH-2. The neck PU is probably a AH-1 (looking at listings, as near as I would venture a guess)?

Heres my belief, I think 1 of 2 things here happened:
1. This was a Satch made from parts acquired from all over. Pieced together to sell to the local Guitar Center, possibly for a trade in for something else.
2. Whoever owned this guitar, took parts from one Ibanez and swaped them out to trade this Satch in and set their lesser Ibanez up with improvements.
Again, with whichever happened, the guy slapped it together, and by putting the wrong trem in, chipped the edge of the body.

So heres the dilemma: I want the guitar to be a 1000. I realize I'm gonna have to drop additional Ca-ching into this Satch. I'm not thrilled about it, either. I've had a few people make statements and to me, some of you think the Edge pro trem can't fit into the trem cavity? I tend to wonder-if the Lo TRS II was NOT supposed to be on this guitar, and in fact caused the body cavity damage, would I NOT be able to put an Edge Pro trem onto it now? Thoughts, comments, suggestions are welcomed! :-)

**jim777** · #44 07-11-2008, 05:08 PM

I think it looks great as is, and would just drop an OFR in it and be done with it. The OFR is a TRS direct swap, and none of the various Edges are. No woodwork or paint to change with the OFR, and it's a great, stable trem.

ryanb · #45 07-11-2008, 07:18 PM

Nothing wrong with an OFR if it does indeed still fit in there. They are interchangeable with the Lo TRS ... but this may not be a "normal" Lo TRS route. Watch out for the screws sticking out the back. But that would be a good option if it fits. If you want to go for a Edge series, be prepared for some potential route changes around that nice paint. Did you date this body yet? ... to determine whether the original trem was a Lo Pro or an Edge Pro (after 2002).