Custom 8-string Iceman - Meshuggah!

[NeglectedField]

Ah good old FX bridge. For a while now I've decided if I ever had a custom Ibanez it'd have one of those in.

6/7string though, not 8.

[Variant]

Originally Posted by scotte_za

30 1/2 inch scale! good lord, how do you bend on that?

Light strings (relitive to the note, obviously), and they're down a half-step (F Bb Eb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb)... I run similar tensions on my 28 5/8" baritone with no issues.

[Variant]

Originally Posted by taracatac

All these extra strings and extreme dropped tuning is getting silly. Just get a six string bass, play it like a guitar and be done with it!

Ahhh... the a**hole questions extended range guitarists (and bassists, for that matter) get asked by the G.W. Bushes of the music world... I was actually thinking about making motif for my eight string of those sorts of knuckle dragging quotes. Stuff like: "Eight strings, you only have five fingers!", and "That must blow the speakers in your amp", etcetra.

[Variant]

Originally Posted by Dee

8-string guitars suck. Especially when there is no tonal definition AT ALL! Leave the lows to the bassman.

THEY DO... and mention their rant about blokes like you in the interview. The mix leans very much on the bass. Granted, their tone sounds like drek in an on-the-spot freeking studio interview, but pick up Obzen... the production is stellar and the guitars sound full and precise. Live too, when I saw them, the sound was spot on.

[taracatac]

Yes, I am an ******* for having an opinion. You must have really stressed your limits to come up with that one.

[Lefty Robb]

Originally Posted by Dee

Christ! I had to turn it off! First of all, it seems like the main guy doing the talking doesn't really know what he's on about. Secondly, those riffs have to be a joke, surely? Are these guys for real?



8-string guitars suck. Especially when there is no tonal definition AT ALL! Leave the lows to the bassman.

Except when you put those seemingly crappy riffs together it actually sounds bad ass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc98u-eGzlc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjzIB...eature=related

[Dee]

Originally Posted by Variant

THEY DO... and mention their rant about blokes like you in the interview.

There are no other "blokes like me". I am unique. Don't assume, dude. My girlfriend thinks they're sh1t too.

[CalledToArms]

^^ god i love BLEED. one of my favorite new songs of the year, and ObZen is in my top 10 albums of 2008 for sure, maybe even top 5

[Chritar]

Originally Posted by DavyH

I want to know more about that guitar!!!!!! Who, what where, how?

Never actually read a full review of a Warr, so I'd love to know what you think of it and how it is to play....

Wow.

im in the same boat, lol, the guy in the picture is in the band 'behold... the arctopus' and when i saw them he had an interesting setup, the warr guitar has two outputs, i believe seperate ones for the trebly side and the bass side of the neck. during their set they changed the tuning and he had to switch the plugs to tune it, so im guessing he had two boards, im not sure though. but he did have an interesting set up, he had some sorta rack gear ontop of a 212 combo and on another speaker cab. and next to that was a 5150 half stack. you can kinda see what he did in this picture



i like their music, but most people dont

[nuno]

Originally Posted by Dee

8-string guitars suck. Especially when there is no tonal definition AT ALL!

you don't have to rely on that interview's audio quality. i can tell you, either on CD and live, those Swedish guys have plenty of definition. of course they know how to deal with freqs, probably the average room player kid doesn't.

Originally Posted by Dee

Leave the lows to the bassman.

they do actually, here's their bassman:

[DavyH]

Originally Posted by nuno

you don't have to rely on that interview's audio quality. i can tell you, either on CD and live, those Swedish guys have plenty of definition. of course they know how to deal with freqs, probably the average room player kid doesn't.

They seem to be giving Line6 a lot of the credit for that... I'd imagine running at way below maximum output and ensuring any distortion is a result of the modelling as opposed to the amp would help keep it manageable.

I don't see the problem with legitimate experimentation with extended scales. To merely dismiss it as crap due to personal taste is.... ummm ..... akin to similar reactions to popular music over the last century or so (trying to be diplomatic, something which doesn't come naturally to me). A word that sounds almost exactly like 'hypocritical' comes to mind, considering the amount of time the majority of posters here have spent defending their own tastes.

[Murder Soul]

Well I found this thread from an old search. Forgot that I was a member of here, Still want a UV of some sort though . You last visited: 07-16-2007 at 08:55 AM

Anyway, After reading this thread I have a bit of an argument.
I agree that A is about as low as a guitar should go. Demilich experimented with this tuning in the early 90's.

Originally Posted by Matheau

By that logic, pianos are better than guitars and basses.

Are you a moron? How is there a "better" instrument? and How does the number of strings relate to how good of an instrument it is?

Originally Posted by nuno

anything ordinary people can't understand becomes ridiculous, or freightening. metal machos were saying pretty much the same thing about the 7-string in the early '90s, then Korn came out and horizons got wider, like it or not. and the 7-string guitar is pretty much a normal, everyday instrument, nobody gets scared by it, nowadays.

i wouldn't be surprised if someone will ever start playing metal with a Chapman stick, one day.

First off, Korn is not a metal band.
Morbid Angel first started experimenting with 7 strings in the early 90's, mainly because for whatever reason, Trey liked Universes.
This is a common theme I see in extended range elitists that always hang out in guitar forums, you view the standard 6 strings as "hindering" your horizons. You need to learn that if you suck, your going to suck no matter how many strings you have. All limitations are in your head. A 6 string guitar has all 12 notes. Different octaves, but that's what makes the guitar a guitar.

Another thing is, I think people thing these large necked guitars look cool, so that's their appeal. I don't think Meshuggah would have half their online popularity if they just played a 6 string baritone (which they could easily do).

Originally Posted by Lefty Robb

I heard a lot about Meshuggah in the last few years but never really heard anything, so I was at the music shop a few weeks ago and saw Catch 33 for $10 so I grabbed it, and OMFG!!! these guys are beyond sick, I thought SYL was the heaviest and loudest band I ever heard until this album, wow, my ears rang for over an hour after blasting this album in my car for 30 min. LOVE IT. Total brutality is what I think of when I think of Meshuggah.

You don't listen to alot of metal do you?

Originally Posted by Chritar

i dont see anything wrong with 8 strings, i dont see anything wrong with this warr guitar either. just different tools for your musical creativity
..i actually want that ibby 8 stringer :-D

Behold... is one of the worst bands to attempt to come into the scene in the past 5 years. I assume the same is true for him, people just like that he has a big guitar.

Originally Posted by sofo

Jean plays 9, 10, 11 & 12 string (non-coursed) bass guitars. More strings, more notes and more notes, more possibilities... and if you look up some of the classical and game theme music he's posted to YouTube, he makes good use of them. So don't hate on the extended range instruments, just listen.

I use to play bass, and on talkbass this guy and a few others play the same game. It's all a competition to see who has the most strings. Unfortunately I fell into it when I first started out, but then I started to think. First off, as many have pointed out, his playing is sub par. His timing is off in his video game covers, and he misses notes. Not to mention everything he can play can be played on a keyboard. The only reason he is recognized is because he has alot of strings.

Sorry, about a year ago I told myself I would separate myself from guitar forums, since they seem silly, but I just HAD to reply to this thread. :santa:

[JM5150]

I always thought one of the coolest things about old metallica was that they made A440 sound heavy. There is something to becoming creative on the seven string, but eventually you start dipping into bass frequencies and it just gets silly. If screaming and tuning your guitar down to "z flat" is the only way you can sound heavy, you need to go back to the drawing board....

[Lefty Robb]

Originally Posted by Murder Soul

You don't listen to alot of metal do you?

Why don't you go and continue to seperate yourself from this silly forum...but if you decide to get off your high horse, feal free to come back.

[Murder Soul]

Originally Posted by Lefty Robb

Why don't you go and continue to seperate yourself from this silly forum...but if you decide to get off your high horse, feal free to come back.

High horse? He said that SYL is heavy.