Custom 8-string Iceman - Meshuggah!

[MFB]

SYL is heavy

Well yes, there is stuff out there that is heavier, theres a line between sounding good and heavy aka metal, and being tuned down to Ab and playing **** aka grindcore

[kotornut]

Here's my ￥２ I think that it's all fine and dandy to play 8 stringed guitars and whatever, if your measured just like any other guitarist. Are you good? If you are just using them to sound heavier and deeper with no other point, then I think you're and idiot with a new gadget for shock value.


Just like MFB said, there is musical heavy and there is stupid heavy for the sake of being the "most shockingly mother *&$@ing heavy ass band ever (see Job for a Cowboy/ Nile etc.)." So there you go. Just be musical with your musical instrument and all this kind of banter will fade like a high school drama queen's latest rumor.

[MFB]

Nile is a guilty pleasure of mine, as is Napalm Death

But when there's **** like **** and Ball Torture floating around claiming to be music when they're singer is worse than Chris Barnes and he sound like a fart over and over, that's where I draw the line

[kotornut]

to each his own. I draw the limit much earlier than that. I need some melody. I don't even like Meshugah (sp?).


But if you like it then like it. Just don't do what happens in the videos, in real life.

[Lefty Robb]

Originally Posted by Murder Soul

High horse? He said that SYL is heavy.

Wow...I guess tuning down to G on the 7th string and using techniques like Wall of Sound isn't heavy enough for you. I guess we shouldn't call Devy "Heavy Devy" anymore then.

I own plenty of stuff like Nile, CC, Dying Fetus, Necrophagist, Amon Amarth, Cryptopsy, Vomitory, Suffocation, Vital Remains etc...maybe I should start listening to some real heavy metal then

[Murder Soul]

Originally Posted by MFB

SYL is heavy

Well yes, there is stuff out there that is heavier, theres a line between sounding good and heavy aka metal, and being tuned down to Ab and playing **** aka grindcore

Again tuning (I worked my way up the post, not down), is only one factor.

Originally Posted by kotornut

Here's my ￥２ I think that it's all fine and dandy to play 8 stringed guitars and whatever, if your measured just like any other guitarist. Are you good? If you are just using them to sound heavier and deeper with no other point, then I think you're and idiot with a new gadget for shock value.


Just like MFB said, there is musical heavy and there is stupid heavy for the sake of being the "most shockingly mother *&$@ing heavy ass band ever (see Job for a Cowboy/ Nile etc.)." So there you go. Just be musical with your musical instrument and all this kind of banter will fade like a high school drama queen's latest rumor.

Karl Sanders likes tuning to drop A. It works for him. At least he doesn't have a 7 or 8 string to justify what he can do with a 6. Meshuggah should do this. Just tune to F on a 6.

Also, please never compare a deathcore band (JFAC) to a real metal band (Nile). kthx.

Originally Posted by Lefty Robb

Wow...I guess tuning down to G on the 7th string and using techniques like Wall of Sound isn't heavy enough for you. I guess we shouldn't call Devy "Heavy Devy" anymore then.

I own plenty of stuff like Nile, CC, Dying Fetus, Necrophagist, Amon Amarth, Cryptopsy, Vomitory, Suffocation, Vital Remains etc...maybe I should start listening to some real heavy metal then

"Heavy" is part tuning, and part how you play. Saying "I tune to low f" doesn't mean you're heavy, It just means you play low notes. I guess every bassist is "heavy as ****". Also, with all the bands you mentioned, Necrophagist seems very out of place. Poor excuse for a tech death band.

Listen to Gorguts. At the time Luc played a 6 tuned to C and that album is still as heavy as all get out.

I do like a few songs of Devy's. Not really anything from SYL, but his solo stuff, like Ziltoid. Don't really understand why he now has an 8, he just uses it for a lower tuning.

[Lefty Robb]

Wow, 5 posts and your already coming off as a complete idiot, but then again, it is just a silly guitar forum, now isn't it? I'll let you dig your own grave around here.

[GuitarBizarre]

Originally Posted by Murder Soul

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You sound like an elitist ****hole who wants to tell everyone how and why they should do anything. Personally, I think 8 strings is pushing the physical senses of a guitar that little bit too far. The way guitars are designed, the low strings will have no definition unless its fan fretted, and even then its a bit strange on whether it all works together.

But if someone wants to take that leap, and can use it musically, then more power to them. On the back of this thread, I got Obzen and had honestly forgotten how much I liked it, 8 strings or no.

But frankly, you're just being a total tool. Spouting crap about what 'is' and 'is not' a REAL metal band isn't going to win you any friends. It just shows you up for a narrow minded arse. In fact, I bet given an hour and an audience willing to ask some questions, you couldn't even narrow down what makes a 'real' metal band anyway. There'll always be one smartass like me there to cross examine what you've said and pick holes in it.

One smartass like me, who will frankly listen to whatever sounds good, from symphny X to Pink floyd through Yoko Kanno and Ayumi Hamasaki, with a detour by daft punk, canibus and Nobuo Eumatsu. Instead of limiting myself to this vague concept of 'real [insert genre here] bands.

TL;DR - You're an idiot IMO.

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[MFB]

Dude, with the exception of Ayumi Hamasaki whom I've never heard, I listen to all those bands and can atest that no matter who they are if they can play their instrument(s) well, then I'm open to listening to it

[mrjakob69]

why are we all fighting, so feel they can get heavier tones from a 6 string tuned down and some feel that they can get heavier tones from an 8 string. who cares its all music and isnt that what we are all here to share our love for creating? i mean scientifically the 8 string can get a "lower" tone but that dosent mean it is the heaviest, its all a matter of taste, and hey like i say dont knock it till you try it.....now cant we all just get along? and the "elitist" getting thrown around, people need to stop stealing words from democrats.

[MFB]

Elitist was probably a term created before politics to describe those who would then become the politicians

[kotornut]

Originally Posted by Murder Soul

Also, please never compare a deathcore band (JFAC) to a real metal band (Nile). kthx.

Shut up. I can do whatever I want. I still think both bands blow. And as equally much as eachother. I'll compare whoever I want to. Like you and the average brain dead person: equally as valid when it comes to debate.

[Murder Soul]

Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

You sound like an elitist ****hole who wants to tell everyone how and why they should do anything. Personally, I think 8 strings is pushing the physical senses of a guitar that little bit too far. The way guitars are designed, the low strings will have no definition unless its fan fretted, and even then its a bit strange on whether it all works together.

But if someone wants to take that leap, and can use it musically, then more power to them. On the back of this thread, I got Obzen and had honestly forgotten how much I liked it, 8 strings or no.

But frankly, you're just being a total tool. Spouting crap about what 'is' and 'is not' a REAL metal band isn't going to win you any friends. It just shows you up for a narrow minded arse. In fact, I bet given an hour and an audience willing to ask some questions, you couldn't even narrow down what makes a 'real' metal band anyway. There'll always be one smartass like me there to cross examine what you've said and pick holes in it.

One smartass like me, who will frankly listen to whatever sounds good, from symphny X to Pink floyd through Yoko Kanno and Ayumi Hamasaki, with a detour by daft punk, canibus and Nobuo Eumatsu. Instead of limiting myself to this vague concept of 'real [insert genre here] bands.

TL;DR - You're an idiot IMO.

Metal is metal. A tool? I think not. If I hold an orange in my hand, and call it an apple, is it an apple? No.
As for narrowing down a real metal band, just use your ears. If you claim to listen to any punk (or hardcore), than you can obviously tell that jfac is a corrupt form of hardcore.

Originally Posted by mrjakob69

why are we all fighting, so feel they can get heavier tones from a 6 string tuned down and some feel that they can get heavier tones from an 8 string. who cares its all music and isnt that what we are all here to share our love for creating? i mean scientifically the 8 string can get a "lower" tone but that dosent mean it is the heaviest, its all a matter of taste, and hey like i say dont knock it till you try it.....now cant we all just get along? and the "elitist" getting thrown around, people need to stop stealing words from democrats.

I would like to know how 8 strings scientifically get heavier tones.

Originally Posted by kotornut

Shut up. I can do whatever I want. I still think both bands blow. And as equally much as eachother. I'll compare whoever I want to. Like you and the average brain dead person: equally as valid when it comes to debate.

Your point contradicts itself. You're telling me to shut up, saying you can do whatever you want. I can do whatever I want. At least I'm right about what I am talking about.

[DavyH]

Originally Posted by mrjakob69

.....now cant we all just get along?

If only.

Now - on to the subject of 8-string guitars?

[MFB]

Originally Posted by Murder Soul

I would like to know how 8 strings scientifically get heavier tones.

Well, when you only have 6 strings you can do things like : E, Eb, D, Db, C, B, and A tunings, and have them be fine. But with 7 strings you can have E tuning with a low B, D tuning with a low A, etc..

Now with 8 you have the option of doing a normal 7 string tuning with either :

An extra low note or an even higher note, say in E tuning plus the low B and a high A, you see? OR! You can do E, B, G, D, A, E, B, Gb to get super crazy low, and that's only in standard tuning. So say someone naturally plays in C tuning ok? Respectively it would go something like :

C, G, Eb, Bb, F, C right? Well, with the 8 string when you add those two extra low strings you're now looking at : C, G, Eb, Bb, F, C, G, F (that F might be wrong) but do you see the point?

You have two extra strings to work with, so unless you tune a 6 string to the point where you play with rubber bands as your standard, you can't match those notes as on the 8 string