Custom 8-string Iceman - Meshuggah! - Page 7

nuno · #91 10-07-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Of Angels

Let's talk about that 8 string Iceman again...

Meshuggah... I don't understand what people like about them so much.

you said it too: LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT 8-STRING ICEMAN AGAIN... please people, start a new thread for anything that doesn't belong to this one. we already had 4 useless pages of cr*p. thanks.

Of Angels · #92 10-07-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruggo

I asume you havent heard Thorendals Special Defects? Its very Holdsworthian

Oy, I've heard good things about this! Thanks for the reminder.

Murder Soul · #93 10-07-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Of Angels

You've still missed the point. The point being that having such a substantial neck makes a world of difference. The scale length has little to do with it, and the extra two strings have everything to do with it. Tune it to whatever you want, but some musicians just prefer having more strings. It inspires them more. If you wanted to keep going higher and higher with the number of strings on each successive guitar you buy, well then ****ing do it pretty much. Who cares? If it hurts you in some way, looking into having a psycho-evaluation done, because it doesn't matter.

How does a substantial neck make a world of a difference when you just said the entire point is the other 2 strings? The argument earlier was that the necks are longer to help get the right tension, and I pointed out larger strings, or baritone guitars can be done on a mere 6 strings.

Of Angels · #94 10-07-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Murder Soul

How does a substantial neck make a world of a difference when you just said the entire point is the other 2 strings? The argument earlier was that the necks are longer to help get the right tension, and I pointed out larger strings, or baritone guitars can be done on a mere 6 strings.

This will be the last comment made in this "argument", because you're simply incapable of adding things together. Somebody else pointed out that the longer scale gives you the right tension. My point is that adding two strings and (sometimes) a longer scale gives you a more substantial neck, which has everything to do with the instrument feeling different. This point is irrefutable and not a matter of opinion. End.

musicdr · #95 10-07-2008, 01:38 PM

I think it comes down to whatever inspires a person to create music.I have a couple of 7 strings.I don't gig with them.I do write with them.They make me think differently than a six.So I write things I normally may not.I usually transpose that to a six. whatever inspires someone is a good thing.

Murder Soul · #96 10-07-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Of Angels

This will be the last comment made in this "argument", because you're simply incapable of adding things together. Somebody else pointed out that the longer scale gives you the right tension. My point is that adding two strings and (sometimes) a longer scale gives you a more substantial neck, which has everything to do with the instrument feeling different. This point is irrefutable and not a matter of opinion. End.

You're simply incapable of sticking to your argument.

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Originally Posted by Of Angels

Once again, the idea, for me at least, is in the shape/size/feel of the instrument. You making mention of others who tune 6 stringers low holds no ground in response to what I said. My point is that those carpal tunnel inducing instruments have longer scales, which provide different tonal characteristics and the propensity to sound tighter with lower tunings. While Meshuggah, in my opinion, makes boring use of the low strings, and not much else, who's to say that they would have wrote their most recent albums without those 8 strings? Creativity is something that knows no boundaries, and it is indeed wrong to try to form them, regardless of whether or not you approve of whatever it is you want to criticize.

Your point was that they have longer scales. There's this thing called a baritone guitar, specifically designed for such a thing. Not to mention you can tune as low as you want, you just have to put bigger strings on.

Reminds me of the nu-metal gone metalcore fag Dino. In his little youtube video about 8 strings he was complaining about how tuning lower the strings got floppy, so he went to a 7. 7's have the exact same scale length as 6's (Ibanez). Apparently the idiot didn't know how to change his strings.

Now on your thing about a different feel of the neck. You like wider necks? So you're going to buy an 8 string just so you're neck is 3 1/2" wide? Then that's all personal preference. Has nothing to do with "creativity".

Of Angels · #97 10-07-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Murder Soul

You're simply incapable of sticking to your argument.

Your point was that they have longer scales. There's this thing called a baritone guitar, specifically designed for such a thing. Not to mention you can tune as low as you want, you just have to put bigger strings on.

Don't tell me what my point was. My point was that more strings and SOMETIMES a longer scale changes the feel of the instrument entirely. You've failed to get everything straight in this exchange of words. The comments about the longer scale came about when you stated that all you had to do was use bigger strings.

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Originally Posted by Murder Soul

Now on your thing about a different feel of the neck. You like wider necks? So you're going to buy an 8 string just so you're neck is 3 1/2" wide? Then that's all personal preference. Has nothing to do with "creativity".

It absolutely does have something to do with creativity. If I sit down and play a bass, I'm going to write different music than I would on a guitar. If I sit down and play an accordian, I'm going to make different music than I would on a piano. If I sit down and play a guitar that has two extra strings, I'm going to make different music than on a 6 string guitar. Making music = being creative. Having a different instrument = creating differently. If this doesn't make sense to you, then I'm going to assume that you aren't capable of understanding, and it's not my desire to make enemies online.

Love and let live, my friends.

MFB · #98 10-07-2008, 04:40 PM

I'm actually gonna write a 5-7 page paper on this argument of 6 string vs 7/8/12/etc

Most likely get a B if I do good research and whatnot

And here I thought I wouldn't be able to find a pro/con topic, silly me

Of Angels · #99 10-07-2008, 04:50 PM

That's not a bad idea, man. And here we were acting like all of this argumentation was useless :-D

Good luck on that.

mrjakob69 · #**100** 10-07-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Murder Soul

Now on your thing about a different feel of the neck. You like wider necks? So you're going to buy an 8 string just so you're neck is 3 1/2" wide? Then that's all personal preference. Has nothing to do with "creativity".

personal preference has every little thing to do with creativity, when you are comfortable on your instrument you play it much different then when you are not comfortable.....this month in guitar world kirk hammit talks about his action, its pretty high because he likes to fight it a little otherwise he gets lazy and plays bad.

GuitarBizarre · #**101** 10-07-2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mrjakob69

kirk hammit talks about his action, gets lazy and plays bad.

Fixed.

Murder Soul · #**102** 10-07-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Of Angels

Don't tell me what my point was. My point was that more strings and SOMETIMES a longer scale changes the feel of the instrument entirely. You've failed to get everything straight in this exchange of words. The comments about the longer scale came about when you stated that all you had to do was use bigger strings.

You failed to make a solid argument at all.

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Originally Posted by Of Angels

It absolutely does have something to do with creativity. If I sit down and play a bass, I'm going to write different music than I would on a guitar. If I sit down and play an accordian, I'm going to make different music than I would on a piano. If I sit down and play a guitar that has two extra strings, I'm going to make different music than on a 6 string guitar. Making music = being creative. Having a different instrument = creating differently. If this doesn't make sense to you, then I'm going to assume that you aren't capable of understanding, and it's not my desire to make enemies online.

Love and let live, my friends.

Strange, I played bass before I started to play guitar. I quit liking bass, but now everything I came up with on bass is easier to play on guitar. I write my music, then play it on the instrument. I don't let it dictate what I play.

I do have to agree with you to an extent. It seems almost all extended rangers only play the lower strings, and argument I made earlier.

Of Angels · #**103** 10-08-2008, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Murder Soul

I write my music, then play it on the instrument. I don't let it dictate what I play.

The key to it is that the instrument inspires you to play/write differently, it doesn't dictate. That's narrow-minded as all ****, really. Using various forms of inspiration, including the feel and functionality of an instrument, is highly enjoyable if you really enjoy writing music. I can write a whole world of music on a 6 string, and likewise on a 7 string, and likewise on a piano, and likewise on a bass, etc. Even if this isn't the way things work for everybody (because it's apparently far beyond your comprehension), its how things work for me.

Look dude, you seem like you're just looking for an argument, and to be honest, it's stupid.

If you want to play your bass lines on your guitar, then go ahead, because that makes sense and what not. If you get no benefit from playing one instrument as opposed to another, then you're simply missing out on something that I would consider inspiring. If you have no problem with that, then I'm happy for you, but either way, I don't really care. I don't care what music you think is good, how many strings you think a guitar should have, or if you can hold yourself up in an argument. All of that is 100% irrelevant to me, so drop it, dude.