Ibanez screws it’s S buyers over again..

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by Rich

I already did quote you but evidently I have to do it again!

Yes and neither times does it say

"there's nothing wrong with a 1 piece scarfed design."

I never said there was nothing wrong with it. NOT ONCE. I said the problems Ibanez had was with the junky wood. Had they used ALL TOP quality wood, I am sure there would be necks that screwed up now and then. But every company has that problem. That wasn't what was killing all the wizards.

Not that I didn't explain the difference between the two in my LAST post....

You did say that. I just quoted you, AGAIN.

R.I.F. That isn't what I said at all.

[jemsite]

Originally Posted by Ke^in

Are you saying 1mm would make a difference either way? I sure hope not.

1mm can make a difference, all things equal, assuming the wood is a good cut.

arguing over Korean S guitars is very silly either way. Yuk ...glen

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by jemsite

1mm can make a difference, all things equal, assuming the wood is a good cut.

RIGH! ASSUMING the wood is a good cut. When the wood is not, 1mm wont help it.

arguing over Korean S guitars is very silly either way. Yuk ...glen

Actually this is about the Prestige.

[jemsite]

^^ prestige can be korean too. meaningless designation to players with specific tastes in guitars.

which of those guitars on post 1 are MIJ? ...glen

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by jemsite

^^ prestige can be korean too.

Correct, sorry. I was thinking you mean the lower end S guitars. I apologize

which of those guitars on post 1 are MIJ? ...glen

There are no "high end" ibanez S series made at this moment.

The fact that "it's only made in Korea" is what my complaint is part of. Well not where it's made but the stiplations that come with where it's being made.

[Rich]

You said there was nothing wrong with the design, it's a blanket statement! I quoted you directly, but of course you never said it.....

Who cares if it's badged Prestige, it's made by Cort and is in no way Prestige quality.

I don't care what your reply is, I'm not wasting any more time.

[S-man]

Originally Posted by jemsite

1mm can make a difference, all things equal, assuming the wood is a good cut.

arguing over Korean S guitars is very silly either way. Yuk ...glen

There's one of the problems, Korean S, ever since they switched them to Korea you can't get a Wizard I.

They have turned it into a beginners guitar. That's what happens when you cater to the $500 guitar market and let the others (Prestige S) just fall in line. Perfect for hanging on the wall of Guitar Center.

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by Rich

You said there was nothing wrong with the design,

No, I said that wasn't the problem Ibanez had. BIG difference.
This is the third time now I have had to explain that to you.

See one is saying that said problem doesn't exist. The other is saying said problem exists, but that isn't the problem Ibanez was having.

Understand?

Who cares if it's badged Prestige, it's made by Cort and is in no way Prestige quality.

I agree. That is what my rant is about.

I don't care what your reply is, I'm not wasting any more time.

You obviously never cared before. Because you didn't pay attention to the last 2 I posted. That IS wasting your time. Not to mention this is about the 5th time you've said "I'm done" or something of the like.

[S-man]

Originally Posted by jemsite

^^ prestige can be korean too. meaningless designation to players with specific tastes in guitars.

which of those guitars on post 1 are MIJ? ...glen

None.

And that my friends, is how Ibanez screws it's S buyers again.

[Rich]

Obviously the design was part of the problem, but no, it's not part of the problem Ibanez had?

[jemsite]

Originally Posted by S-man

There's one of the problems, Korean S, ever since they switched them to Korea you can't get a Wizard I.

They have turned it into a beginners guitar. That's what happens when you cater to the $500 guitar market and let the others (Prestige S) just fall in line. Perfect for hanging on the wall of Guitar Center.

you'll never get an explaination from ibanez about what cort, etc. does. Wizard I was probably too unstable and IMHO should never have been created in the first place way back.

Next, there is no real market for pricy S guitars... they ARE beginner guitars if they're made by Cort.

Finally, when i and others tell you guys MIK is horrendous vs Prestige MIJ half the newbies think it's some country bias or cite a rare example of some good sounding MIK ibanez. ... glen

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by Rich

Obviously the design was part of the problem

It could have very well been a small part. But the BIGGER problem, and the one that caused all the majority was the CRAP WOOD.

Had Ibanez used BETTER wood the scarf issues would be moot. Sure they would run into problem necks. Every company does.

ALL companies produce bad necks here and there. The REASON Ibanez had such BAD LUCK in the AMOUNT of necks that were crap with the wizard WAS BECAUSE OF THE CRAP WOOD. NOT because of the scarf.

[S-man]

Originally Posted by jemsite

you'll never get an explaination from ibanez about what cort, etc. does. Wizard I was probably too unstable and IMHO should never have been created in the first place way back.

Next, there is no real market for pricy S guitars... they ARE beginner guitars if they're made by Cort.

Finally, when i and others tell you guys MIK is horrendous vs Prestige MIJ half the newbies think it's some country bias or cite a rare example of some good sounding MIK ibanez. ... glen

Do they put the Wizard I on the Prestige RG currently????

[S-man]

I already know the answer...yes

Put that neck design/profile on the new S and make it in Japan.

I know they are beginner guitars ....that's why I said that

They didn't used to be.

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by jemsite

Wizard I was probably too unstable and IMHO should never have been created in the first place way back.

Unstable with junky woods they were using.

Next, there is no real market for pricy S guitars...

Uh sure there is. Ibanez has been selling S prestiges for years by the buttloads.