Ibanez screws it’s S buyers over again..

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by vmx23

I was surprised you didn't know since it was a topic of discussion here back in 2005 but then I realized you just joined in August 2006. It had been talked about here. Search around. I believe Rich and others here can confirmed it.

I read about it being a TAD wider after the 12th fret than before. That was it.
And even then it was speculation.

I've been reading the forum since about 2004. Didn't register till I bought another Ibanez.

But that is really irrelevant. As that isn't why they aren't putting them in the S series.

[vmx23]

Originally Posted by Ke^in

I read about it being a TAD wider after the 12th fret than before. That was it.
And even then it was speculation.

I've been reading the forum since about 2004. Didn't register till I bought another Ibanez.

But that is really irrelevant. As that isn't why they aren't putting them in the S series.

The wider thing is true. As of 2005, 2mm wider at the 24th fret. Guess you haven't try a new Prestige RGs? It was quite obvious to those that have played the old and the newer ones.

I tried searching for older posts but could not find the posts but trust me, 2005 wizards are thicker. Easiest way is prove it is to go out an try a new Prestige RG. You have two S with the Wizard profile. The difference should be obvious immediately.

That said, MIJ Wizards II were never that thick to begin with. It is still a freaking thin neck. Are the Korean Wizards II like a freaking huge difference?

Ironically, a 2005 JEM555 I tried in stores has what seems to be a original wizard profile. Flat and thin. Before 2005, a JEM555 I tried has a neck that is similiar to a wizard II

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by vmx23

The wider thing is true. As of 2005, 2mm wider at the 24th fret.

Ss have 22 frets.

Guess you haven't try a new Prestige RGs? It was quite obvious to those that have played the old and the newer ones.

Sure have! It's wider a bit. Nothing like the Wizard II at all.

I tried searching for older posts but could not find the posts but trust me, 2005 wizards are thicker. Easiest way is prove it is to go out an try a new Prestige RG. You have two S with the Wizard profile. The difference should be obvious immediately.

I've tried them. They are a BIT different but NOTHING like a Wizard II.
The Prestige Wizard RG necks have always been a bit different than the 22 fret S one after 99.

That said, MIJ Wizards II were never that thick to begin with. It is still a freaking thin neck. Are the Korean Wizards II like a freaking huge difference?

They are not only THICKER, but shaped differently as well.

But again, this is all irrelevant. This isn't why they stopped making Ss with wizards. They had them up until they stopped making them in Japan in 2005.

2005 on Ibanez seems to be really screwing up.

2004 was the last DECENT year for Ibanez IMHO. 2002 being a peak.

[S-man]

Well, no kidding, a laminated neck is going to be less prone to warping.

There is a big differance between the wizard I and II. It doesn't matter were they are made, how many pieces they are made of, what kind of wood is used. Etc.

I never agrued the fact that they changed the construction and dimension for reliability reasons.

Even the Radius of the necks are differant. Just because you didn't notice a big differance or think it was there or was an appreciable differance, doesn't mean there isn't one.

Also, I've NEVER heard of Strip shifting. That just sounds wrong. A glued joint is stronger than the surrounding wood. The glue doesn't allow the wood joint to change. That sounds crazy.

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by S-man

I never agrued the fact that they changed the construction and dimension for reliability reasons.

They changed the construction to fix the problem with the EARLY wizards messing up.

This isn't why new Ss don't have the wizard. And it's pretty irrelevant to the thread. But I think we both know that.

[NeglectedField]

My only complaint about the S320 would be the lack of colour varieties, but other than that it'd suit me fine, what with the no middle pickup and no silly inlays, though I don't mind the 520EX inlay that much, despite the irritating marketed for metal isms.

[vmx23]

Originally Posted by Ke^in

Ss have 22 frets.

I am talking about the Wizard on a Prestige RG

Originally Posted by Ke^in

Sure have! It's wider a bit. Nothing like the Wizard II at all.

I am not saying it is the same as a wizard II, don't know where you get that but just saying that as of 2005, all Prestige RG Wizards necks are 2mm wider at the 24th fret.

Originally Posted by Ke^in

I've tried them. They are a BIT different but NOTHING like a Wizard II. The Prestige Wizard RG necks have always been a bit different than the 22 fret S one after 99.

I have an 03 MIJ RG with the Wizard II. I tested it side by side with a few Prestige RG1570, RG2570....quite a few times back in 2005 and the 2005 Wizards are very similiar to the Wizard II on my RG, the Prestige Wizard are probably slightly flatter but the thickness is pretty much the same.

Originally Posted by Ke^in

They are not only THICKER, but shaped differently as well.

Of course they are, no one is saying they aren't. Both are still thinner than average necks at the end of the day. Not like the night and day difference of a Gibson 50s neck and the 60s neck.

Originally Posted by Ke^in

But again, this is all irrelevant. This isn't why they stopped making Ss with wizards. They had them up until they stopped making them in Japan in 2005.

2005 on Ibanez seems to be really screwing up.

2004 was the last DECENT year for Ibanez IMHO. 2002 being a peak.

Of course it is relevent. With 2005 Wizards being pretty much the same as an MIJ Wizard II or at least an 03 MIJ Wizard II, It makes me wonder to as how big of a difference is the Wizard II on the MIK S compared to current Prestige Wizards on the MIJ RG?

But that said, I am really only speaking for the RGs that I have tried. Never did try out the S, never my kind of guitar.

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by vmx23

I am talking about the Wizard on a Prestige RG

Right, but we aren't...

I am not saying it is the same as a wizard II, don't know where you get that but just saying that as of 2005, all Prestige RG Wizards necks are 2mm wider at the 24th fret.

You said this

I should point out that 2005 Prestige RG Wizard is pretty much the same as my 2003 MIJ RG 450LTD Wizard II with the Prestige RG probably having slightly flatter profile while my RG has a slightly rounder profile but both about the same thickness overall.
I never said you said it was the same. I said LIKE. However you DID say it was "pretty much the same"

Of course they are, no one is saying they aren't. Both are still thinner than average necks at the end of the day. Not like the night and day difference of a Gibson 50s neck and the 60s neck.

No one is saying both aren't thin necks. But there is a big enough difference between the two that warrants complaints.

Of course it is relevent. With 2005 Wizards being pretty much the same as an MIJ Wizard II or at least an 03 MIJ Wizard II,

Again they aren't.

It makes me wonder to as how big of a difference is the Wizard II on the MIK S compared to current Prestige Wizards on the MIJ RG?

But that said, I am really only speaking for the RGs that I have tried. Never did try out the S, never my kind of guitar.

And again, the reason the S doesn't have the wizard it had say in 2004 which WAS the same as the first wizard as far as specs go has nothing to do with the stability of the neck.

It has to do with Ibanez being cheap and making the S a Korea only guitar while still charging Japan prices.

Since Korea don't produce wizard necks, the S doesn't get one.

THIS IS WHY it doesn't have one. It has nothing to do with Ibanez having problems with the ORIGINAL wizard.

It's the SAME reason the EdgePros don't have locking studs. It's because Ibanez has been PINCHING PENNIES hoping the consumer wont notice.

Well they are.

I have a feeling Ibanez is heading for what Gibson and Fender went through in the 70s. It's not too late to turn back for them however.

[S-man]

"I am not saying it is the same as a wizard II, don't know where you get that but just saying that as of 2005, all Prestige RG Wizards necks are 2mm wider at the 24th fret."

Got that from this...

"You want an original Wizard, what I am saying is, as of 2005, the Prestige Wizards are about the same or the same as an MIJ Wizard II."

Nobody asked for the original wizard.

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by S-man

Nobody asked for the original wizard.

Yeah I'd love the same neck I have in my 2000 prestige wizard. Which I consider better than the original.

Same shape, just made better, and has the rolled feel IMHO

Even the 20th RGs are going to have a modern built Wizard with old wizard specs.

[vmx23]

Originally Posted by S-man

There is a big differance between the wizard I and II. It doesn't matter were they are made, how many pieces they are made of, what kind of wood is used. Etc.

They are differences back then. In 2003, the Prestige Wizards are like how the Wizards have always been, flat and thin. But in 2005 the Prestige Wizards are definitely thicker than a pre 05 Prestige Wizards, the difference big enough for it to be very similiar or the same profile as an 03 MIJ Wizard II neck.

Originally Posted by S-man

Also, I've NEVER heard of Strip shifting. That just sounds wrong. A glued joint is stronger than the surrounding wood. The glue doesn't allow the wood joint to change. That sounds crazy.

It happens, the glue that are supposed to be holding the strip isn't holding as well anymore (could be due to improper drying, constant temperature changes, or just age)

Case in point, try a few of these Prestige RGs, and I bet you can find some with the strip sticking just a teeny bit out at some parts of the necks.

I have a friend with an RG760 with the bubinga strip and the tip is a little bit out, just a tiny but but you can feel it.

My ex Bassist has an Ibanez BTB 5 string and his too has a slight bit of the bubinga sticking out on some part of the neck.

I have a 5 year old SX strat with the walnut strip's tip sticking out a bit and I used to have a 10 year old Fender strat with a slight gap between the tip of the strip and the maple neck.

Heck, I have seen new Fenders with similiar problems. That's why I avoid Fender Strats with the walnut strip.

Again, not saying it is in all guitars but it happens and definitely not crazy talk.

[vmx23]

Originally Posted by S-man

"I am not saying it is the same as a wizard II, don't know where you get that but just saying that as of 2005, all Prestige RG Wizards necks are 2mm wider at the 24th fret."

Got that from this...

"You want an original Wizard, what I am saying is, as of 2005, the Prestige Wizards are about the same or the same as an MIJ Wizard II."

Nobody asked for the original wizard.

Man, we are playing with semantics here, ori wizard, or new wizard or prestige wizards, point is, we are talking about the thin and flat wizard necks.

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by vmx23

They are differences back then. In 2003, the Prestige Wizards are like how the Wizards have always been, flat and thin. But in 2005 the Prestige Wizards are definitely thicker than a pre 05 Prestige Wizards, the difference big enough for it to be very similiar or the same profile as an 03 MIJ Wizard II neck.

You keep saying this without proof of dimensions. I've played one. If ANYTHING it's only 1mm thicker at the 12th and a tad wider. NOTHING like the wizard II.

Case in point, try a few of these Prestige RGs, and I bet you can find some with the strip sticking just a teeny bit out at some parts of the necks.

I have a 5 year old SX strat with the walnut strip's tip sticking out a bit and I used to have a 10 year old Fender strat with a slight gap between the tip of the strip and the maple neck.

Heck, I have seen new Fenders with similiar problems. That's why I avoid Fender Strats with the walnut strip.

Again, not saying it is in all guitars but it happens and definitely not crazy talk.

Again this isn't why the S doesn't have the wizard now. So why are we talking about it?

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by vmx23

Man, we are playing with semantics here, ori wizard, or new wizard or prestige wizards, point is, we are talking about the thin and flat wizard necks.

Yes but I think his point is, the newer wizards don't have the problems of the older ones. So it does matter. Not only that, it's not the reason the S doesn't come with a wizard anymore.

[S-man]

If anything the wood is swelling...differant woods react differantly.

It has nothing to do with the glue...unglueing??? or whatever it is your trying to say. Which also has nothing to do with the thread.