Ibanez screws it’s S buyers over again..

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by -Rhaab

wizard I is thicker than II?

Wah? No.. other way around.

[crevis]

Originally Posted by S-man

It's also not about 1pc. vs. 3pc. vs. 5pc. or any kind of crazy talk about glue joints slipping or whatever that one guy was trying to say. I personally think he was all over the map and agrueing just for the sake of agrueing.

That was a discussion about why ibanez changed the neck in the first place.

I would rather pay a little extra to make a compromise so they could still make necks with wizard specs, its not really fair that they give you an awesome neck and then just take it away completely, they could have just made a couple of more expensive models with a better neck.

and the neck poket depth is a korean thing, all the MIKs ive owned have that, from RGs to Ss to anything made in that factory.

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by crevis

That was a discussion about why ibanez changed the neck in the first place.

The discussion was as to why the S stopped getting the wizard. And it had nothing to do with faulty original wizards.

[crevis]

Originally Posted by Ke^in

The discussion was as to why the S stopped getting the wizard. And it had nothing to do with faulty original wizards.

It stopped getting the wizard because of the faulty necks and the koreans are incapable of making a wizard I that wouldnt have the same problems. If it was still japanese, it would still have the wizard I, thats always been the case and the're not going to change it just because the S is MIK now.

[crevis]

The thickness of the wizard II is a fale safe, the radius/curvature/neck pocket etc is just a lack of care and knowledge like with all MIKs.

[Dee]

Originally Posted by crevis

It stopped getting the wizard because of the faulty necks and the koreans are incapable of making a wizard I that wouldnt have the same problems. If it was still japanese, it would still have the wizard I, thats always been the case and the're not going to change it just because the S is MIK now.

If that's so, how come the (Japanese) RG Prestige guitars don't have the original Wizard?

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by crevis

It stopped getting the wizard because of the faulty necks

No it had nothing to do with early wizard necks being faulty. Nothing. But if you feel it does, feel free to back up your accusations.

and the koreans are incapable of making a wizard I that wouldnt have the same problems.

No, not can't. But wont because it would cost too much.

If it was still japanese, it would still have the wizard I, thats always been the case and the're not going to change it just because the S is MIK now.

You just contradicted yourself. You claim it doesn't have it because wizard necks were faulty, then you claim if it was still made in Japan it would still have the Wizard I. Which is exactly what I said. And who says Ibanez wont change it? They change stuff all the time.

At one time I was told Prestiges would never be made in Korea as well.

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by Dee

If that's so, how come the (Japanese) RG Prestige guitars don't have the original Wizard?

1mm thicker wont make a difference either way in stability. I have no idea why Ibanez screwed up the RG wizard in 2005. Other than it might be CHEAPER to do so. Because that is what Ibanez is all about now. Cutting corners.

[no1spretty]

Im too lazy to read through all this thread but ikebe-gakki has a maple-boarded S540. I dont know if this has been mentioned

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Ke^in

No it had nothing to do with early wizard necks being faulty. Nothing. But if you feel it does, feel free to back up your accusations.

No, not can't. But wont because it would cost too much.

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Originally Posted by Ke^in

1mm thicker wont make a difference either way in stability. I have no idea why Ibanez screwed up the RG wizard in 2005. Other than it might be CHEAPER to do so. Because that is what Ibanez is all about now. Cutting corners.

How about you take your own advice and start backing up your own [false] accusations.

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by Rich

How about you take your own advice and start backing up your own [false] accusations.

My accusation is that Ibanez doesn't put the wizard on the S because the are all made in Korea now. And Korea doesn't make wizard necks. Actually that isn't a accusation. That is why they don't come with them. And that isn't false.

As far as the accusations of them being penny pinchers, they are. The Edge Pro doesn't come with locking studs because of this. The reason the wizard EVEN HAD PROBLEMS to begin with was because of low grade maple used on some of the earlier cheaper Ibanez guitars. That really isn't a false accusation either. Because I have instances to back them up.

As far a 1mm making a HUGE difference in stability, I hope you aren't attempting to say it does...

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Ke^in
1mm thicker wont make a difference either way in stability.



Ummm, yea........

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by no1spretty

Im too lazy to read through all this thread but ikebe-gakki has a maple-boarded S540. I dont know if this has been mentioned

Nice. Not big on maple fretboards though.

[Ke^in]

Originally Posted by Rich

Originally Posted by Ke^in
1mm thicker wont make a difference either way in stability.

Ummm, yea........

Are you saying 1mm would make a difference either way? I sure hope not.

Originally Posted by toshiro

Be that as it may, I've seen enough warped necks to know there are factors outside thickness involved.

Is a multi-piece neck going to be less prone? Of course, glue is stronger than wood. Are both capable of warping? Yes. Is that one mm going to stop the neck from warping where a 17mm would? Not IMO from seeing 20+mm necks warped to hell.

[Rich]

I sure hope you don't believe everything you read, and then post like YOU know the facts based on it

ABSOLUTELY it makes for a more stable neck. Will it keep a neck made of bad wood from going bad? NO. Will it help keep a good neck good, YES!!