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Old 04-29-2012, 05:47 AM
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Looking to mod an old bottom of the line model


Hey guys. I've been playing guitar for a while now and own two electric ibanez's, an Artcore AFS-75 and a GRX-20. The Artcore a wonderful guitar, but it has it's limitations when it comes to the heavier stuff. The GRX, well, it also has its limitations. I'm looking to mod the grx for shredding purposes (I wouldn't dare mess about with the ART!) I was thinking of custom painting it and changing the PU's (easy enough), but I also wanted to change the neck (it's nice enough to play on, but I'd prefer a wizard 24 fret [preferably with top-locks]). Will Any wizard neck fit on. Also, I want to replace the bridge for two reasons: one, it isn't as versatile as a double locking (as a fender style bridge, it's one way bending only), and two, some of the components tend to scratch the hand when I palm mute. I was thinking about fitting a Khaler. How difficult would this be? I'd really rather not move to a fixed bridge, but if there's no other options.
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Old 04-29-2012, 06:35 AM
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Re: Looking to mod an old bottom of the line model


I hate to say it, but doing all of that will be as much as a far better guitar with all that gear already on it. Maybe just get some decent tuners, get a proper setup, get some GFS pickups or similar (bang for buck pickups), and you'll at least have a reasonable guitar. But only do this if the neck is reasonable and to your liking.
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Old 04-29-2012, 08:00 AM
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In all honesty, I love the current guitar body style. I can source a cheap neck, and I can just get a fixed bridge and bolt it on. The whammy isn't a necessity. I don't want a new guitar, I want MY guitar set up to suit MY tastes with MY custom paint etc. So, please, I don't want to know about prices, I just want to know if it is possible to get a different neck on it.
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Old 04-29-2012, 11:57 AM
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Re: Looking to mod an old bottom of the line model


I don't think you can without plugging and redrilling the heel holes. I tried before to put an RX20 neck on mine, since it had a maple fretboard, but the screws that fit that one were too thin and (it was a long time ago, so I can't quite remember) they may have also been a different length. I'd assume the RX20 uses the same heel hole dimensions as most Ibanezes and the GRX20 doesn't. Also, I don't really know if the heel block dimensions are the same for the GRX20 and the old block-heel Wizards (and you say "any wizard neck"; AANJ is not feasible at all), but there's a decent chance. It's probably easy to Google up the Wizard block dimensions; the GRX20's may be harder to find online, but you could always measure yours.

The GRX20 neck (actually unlike the RX20 neck... I just wanted that for the maple fretboard) is really pretty nice though. Feels thinner (probably isn't really thinner at the center, but it may have less volume) and rounder than the Wizard II, at least (but the Wizard still no-contests it, of course). I scalloped my GRX20 and now it's even nicer.
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Old 04-29-2012, 02:00 PM
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Re: Looking to mod an old bottom of the line model


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In all honesty, I love the current guitar body style. I can source a cheap neck, and I can just get a fixed bridge and bolt it on. The whammy isn't a necessity. I don't want a new guitar, I want MY guitar set up to suit MY tastes with MY custom paint etc. So, please, I don't want to know about prices, I just want to know if it is possible to get a different neck on it.
You are aware that Ibanez make other guitars with that body style, right? And a lot of them are actually really good guitars that wouldn't need modifying.

Here's a partial list, apologies, but there's definitely a few missing:

GRG010LTD
GRG06LTD
GRG07LTD1
GRG07LTD2
GRG121
GRG121EX
GRG150
GRG150DX
GRG150DXB
GRG150P
GRG170
GRG170DX
GRG170DXFM
GRG170DXL
GRG170F
GRG170M
GRG180
GRG220DEX
GRG250DX
GRG250P
GRG270
GRG270B
GRG270DX
GRG270DXFM
GRG370FM
GRGA11
GRGA21
GRGA22
GRGA22FM
GRGA32
GRGA32EX
GRGA32T
GRGA42QA
GRGA42T
GRGA42TQA
GRGM08LTD1
GRGM08LTD2
GRGM08LTD3
GRGM09LTD1
GRGM09LTD2
GRGM21
GRGM21L
GRGM21M
GRGM51HP
GRGR010LTD
GRGR09LTD
GRGR121EX
GRGS22
GRGS22FM
IRG1
IRG2
IRG8470F
IRG8470Z
JCRG10-01
JCRG10-02
JCRG10-03
JCRG10-04
JCRG10-05
JCRG10-06
JCRG2011Z
MRG1
MRG10
MRG11
MRG12
MRG13
MRG2
MRG3
MRG4
MRG5
MRG6
MRG7
MRG8
MRG9
RG-ARCH1
RG08LTD
RG09LTD
RG1077XL
RG120
RG1200
RG1202
RG120L
RG1280
RG1302
RG1308
RG1420F
RG1421F
RG1451
RG1508
RG1512
RG1520A
RG1520G
RG1520GK
RG1521
RG1527
RG15271
RG1527M
RG1527MZ
RG1527Z
RG1550
RG1550FM
RG1550GX
RG1550M
RG1550ML
RG1550MZ
RG1550MZL
RG1570
RG1570L
RG1570Z
RG1570ZL
RG1608
RG1618
RG1620X
RG1670MZ
RG170
RG1702
RG1712
RG1802
RG1808
RG1820X
RG20051
RG20061
RG20062
RG20063
RG20064
RG20071
RG20072
RG2011SC
RG2020X
RG2027X
RG2077XL
RG2080
RG2120X
RG2127X
RG220DX
RG2228
RG2450MZ
RG2470MZ
RG2520FE
RG2520ZE
RG2550E
RG2550EX
RG2550LTD
RG2550MZ
RG2550Z
RG2550ZL
RG2560ZEX
RG2570E
RG2570EX
RG2570MZ
RG2570Z
RG2610E
RG2610Z
RG2620
RG2620E
RG2620QM
RG2620Z
RG2620ZE
RG2660ZE
RG2670Z
RG2680
RG2680M
RG2770Z
RG27SP
RG2820CT
RG2EX1
RG2EX2
RG2EXT1
RG3070
RG3120
RG3120F
RG3180
RG320DXFM
RG320DXQM
RG320E
RG320FM
RG320PG
RG321E
RG321MH
RG3250MZ
RG3270
RG3270M
RG3271
RG350DX
RG350DXZ
RG350EX
RG350EXZ
RG350M
RG350MDX
RG350MH
RG350MHL
RG350MPZ
RG350MZ
RG350QM
RG350QMZ
RG350R1
RG350SP1
RG350SP3
RG3520Z
RG3520ZE
RG3550MZ
RG3570Z
RG3620Z
RG370AX
RG370DX
RG370DXFM
RG370DXGP1
RG370DXGP2
RG370DXGP3
RG370DXGP4
RG370DXL
RG370DXSP
RG370DXZ
RG370DXZL
RG3770Z
RG380DX
RG390GX
RG3EX1
RG3EXFM1
RG3EXQM1
RG420CM
RG420EG
RG420FB
RG420FBZ
RG450 (1990-1991)
RG450 (1992-1993)
RG450 (1994-1995)
RG450 (1999)
RG450 (2009)
RG4570Z
RG470
RG470AH
RG470AHZ
RG470FX
RG470KA
RG470MHZ
RG471AH
RG4EX1
RG4EXFM1
RG4EXQM1
RG517
RG527R
RG527RLTD
RG535
RG540
RG542AH
RG547AH
RG548
RG550
RG550 (1997-2002)
RG550-R
RG550MXX
RG550RXX
RG560
RG560L
RG565
RG570
RG570MH
RG580
RG581
RG5EX1
RG5EX1L
RG5SP1
RG5SP2
RG670DX
RG7320Z
RG7321
RG7321FM
RG7420
RG750
RG760
RG7620
RG7621
RG770
RG770DX
RG770DX (reissue)
RG770FM
RG770FM (2001-2002)
RG7EXFX
RG7EXFX2
RG8127F
RG8170F
RG8270F
RG8320
RG8327
RG8420FE
RG8420ZD
RG8420ZE
RG8427F
RG8470A
RG8470F
RG8470Z
RG8527Z
RG8570Z
RG8620S
RG870QMZ
RG870Z
RG920QMZ
RG9670Z
RGA121
RGA121H
RGA220Z
RGA32
RGA321
RGA321F
RGA42
RGA420Z
RGA427Z
RGA42FM
RGA42T
RGA42TFMZ
RGA42TZ
RGA7
RGA72QM
RGA72QME
RGA72TQM
RGA72TQMZ
RGA72TQMZE
RGA8
RGD2120Z
RGD2127Z
RGD320
RGD320Z
RGD321
RGD7320Z
RGD7321
RGHRG1
RGR08LTD
RGR1220
RGR1570
RGR320DX
RGR320EX
RGR321EX
RGR350EX
RGR370DX
RGR420EX
RGR421EXFM
RGR465M
RGR480
RGR521EX1
RGR521EX2
RGR580
RGR580L
RGSP1
RGSP2
RGSP3
RGT2020
RGT220A
RGT220H
RGT220Z
RGT3020FM
RGT3020QM
RGT3120
RGT3170
RGT320F
RGT320Q
RGT320Z
RGT32FMSP
RGT42DX
RGT42DXFM
RGT42DXFX
RGT42FM
RGT42FX
RGT42FX (2007)
RGT42FXQM
RGT42MDX
RGT5EX
RGT6EX
RGT6EX2
RGT6EXFX
RGT6EXFX2
RGTHRG1
RGTHRG2
RG-ART1
RG-GEAR1
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Old 04-29-2012, 03:06 PM
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Re: Looking to mod an old bottom of the line model


Where are you sourcing cheap wizards? Only cheap ones I've seen are Chinese luthier copies and they can't even make the right dimensions. The cheap AANJ Koreans on eBay won't fit without modification, most likely. Same with old square wizards too because of the extra overhang which is missing on low end 22 fret square heels. Possibly a little routing to the body above the neck pickup and probably a block added to the neck heel. Definitely lots of routing and drilling for the bridge plus you need to make sure scale length is correct when it's done. Sounds like a ton of work when you could get an rg550 for $300. If you don't have tools already you're getting into Premium price range.

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No, most Wizard necks will not fit. Realistically, your only good options for a replacement neck are a square heel S-series neck (22-fret) or a square heel Wizard (24-fret) that you will HAVE to cut off the last 2 frets.........22-fret is your ONLY option if you want a Wizard.

Obviously, electronics can be changed to anything you want.

Upgrading your trem/hardware IS possible. The amount of technical ability and knowledge of the instrument makes this a job that is out-of-reach for most modders. You'll want to find a VERY good luthier to discuss your various options and they're associated costs.

The ONLY reason that people are suggesting buying another guitar that already has what you want is to help YOU. The costs associated with these kind of mods are ALWAYS 200% or more of what you'd spend on a quality guitar that is already fully equipped.

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Old 04-30-2012, 05:49 AM
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Thankyou GB for not getting the point. I can't get an RG that is of my design. I want it to be unique, my signature, if you will (not that I'm good enough to get my own signature :P). Like I said, I don't care that much about the price. I know I can source the PU's I want for $160. Can anyone direct me to an apropriate fixed bridge?
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The GRX20 neck (actually unlike the RX20 neck... I just wanted that for the maple fretboard) is really pretty nice though. Feels thinner (probably isn't really thinner at the center, but it may have less volume) and rounder than the Wizard II, at least (but the Wizard still no-contests it, of course). I scalloped my GRX20 and now it's even nicer.
I agree, the neck is nice, but I'd prefer the extra two frets. I can live without them if I must :P
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Old 04-30-2012, 07:33 AM
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Oh dear...
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:09 PM
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Dude, just spray paint it and screw a tun-o-matic on it, then once you've satisfied your curiosity and ruined your old guitar go buy an RG350.
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I agree, the neck is nice, but I'd prefer the extra two frets. I can live without them if I must :P
Apparently your only hearing what you want..........

24-frets is NOT an option on your guitar. Not unless you want to completely re-build your body. You'll need to make a shelf for the extra two frets to lie on. This shelf will fall directly on top of you neck pickup.....you'll have to fill the hole, cut the shelf and re-locate the pickup, possibly forcing you to relocate the bridge pup which you may not have room for.

THEN you want to change your bridge. This WILL REQUIRE semi-major body work. There is NO direct replacement for either the standard Ibanez bridge or the FAT10....one of which is on your guitar (depending on the year). Whether you go with a hardtail or a trem, it WILL require some major body modification.............Your call.
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Thankyou GB for not getting the point. I can't get an RG that is of my design. I want it to be unique, my signature, if you will (not that I'm good enough to get my own signature :P). Like I said, I don't care that much about the price. I know I can source the PU's I want for $160. Can anyone direct me to an apropriate fixed bridge?
Thankyou for not getting the sarcasm.

You're only going to end up with a rubbish guitar that looks pretty. What you're doing is stupid unless you have some sort of unbelievably sentimental attachment to that particular guitar. (And even then, its not any less stupid, its just a little more understandable...) It'll still be a cheap guitar with cheap wood cut to bad tolerances and changing the neck isn't going to fix that, especially since its quite likely on a cheap guitar like that, that the body has been routed inexpertly and therefore whatever neck you put on it will probably need some stupid amount of shim to get it to fit correctly. Not to mention its such a cheap model, it doesn't share the mounting bolt positions with ANY of the decent wizard necks, since the japanese and Korean bolt pattern is different to the indonesian or chinese one.

For the amount you want to pour into the guitar you could be (significantly) more than halfway to building a custom (which would be just as much the guitar you want with "your design" on it, that would be twice the guitar of any Ibanez production model, and twenty times the guitar of that bag of crap you call a GRX.

Here's a list of the things that would need to be done to your guitar in order to turn it into an instrument which isn't total crap:

1 - Buy a new neck. This is roughly £200 UK, or $300 US.
2 - Have the neck pocket routed for the wider heel.
3 - Have the neck mounting holes re-drilled for the different pattern.
4 - Have the neck pocket bottom routed at the proper angle for your neck, to eliminate the need for a massive shim, and to ensure good neck-to-body contact, which your GRX will almost certainly NOT have right now, because its a crap guitar.
5 - Replace the tuning machines. This is roughly £60, or $90.
6 - Buy a new bridge. A good one will be a minimum of £50 or $80 for a fixed bridge, upwards of $100-$200 for a good tremolo depending on if you go for locking or vintage.
7 - Have the old bridge removed and the cavities filled.
8 - Have the new bridge location calculated and the mountings for that routed.
9 - Possibly re-route the bridge pickup cavity if the new location is significantly different.
10 - Have the neck modified to fit the scale length and intended number of frets on your guitar. OR if you insist on putting a 24 fret neck on, you'll have to have your luthier fill the cavities left by your old pickups, and re-route those cavities, after modifying the neck pocket to accept the 24 fret neck.
11 - At this stage you have a playable guitar, except your pickups and electronics are still a pile of crap because they're from a cheapo guitar. Off to buy som good electronics then! A set of Dimarzio's and pots will run you around £200 to $300. If you want REALLY great pickups, you're looking at Bareknuckle prices, thats around £230 or $400. Ish.
12 - Now you need to pay a guy to do all the work on the electronics, more cash there, in addition to the FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS you will have already spent on modifying the body to accept the new neck and bridge and filling the old pickup cavities...
13 - Now at this point you need to design your finish and find someone willing to paint the guitar for you. If you want a good job doing here you're looking at a MINIMUM of £300 for a finish done by someone who knows what they're doing. HUNDREDS more if you want a good finish doing with some sort of custom graphic. Especially if you want a matching headstock.



Now, adding up JUST THE THINGS I CAN PRICE UP, WHICH MEANS THIS IS NON-INCLUSIVE OF LABOUR, you're looking at $1260 or so. When you add onto that the cost of the setup, the woodwork, the miscellaneous **** that always comes up in these kind of builds, then you're talking that it could quite easily be TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS into a guitar that costs A TENTH OF THE PRICE. Especially if the Luthier you get to do the work, sees you coming. And believe me, when you' asking for something this ridiculous, you're also asking to be taken for a ride by whoever does the work. Best hope your guy is the scrupulous sort, or you might find an extra 500 on top of the figure here...

All that, for the pleasure of turning an awful guitar into a slightly less awful guitar.

And even when you PAY that much, you're still left with a body made of crappy wood. And, because you extended the fretboard into the body, even though you'll HAVE two extra frets, you won't be able to REACH them because the cutaway won't be as deep as it is on a guitar that was intended for 24 frets to start with. And the GRX cutaway is ALREADY shallow compared to the real RG, and the neck heel is huge on that guitar. You'll have next to no higher fret access. Unless you pay for the guy doing all of this work, to reshape the heel of the neck and make it playable. Which is going to cost you even more money.

Any way you slice it, if you think you're getting a great deal by sinking money into polishing a turd, you've got more money than sense, and if you're that eager to lighten your wallet for stupid reasons, I'll be glad to sell you a big bag of GuitarBizarre's patented I-Think-You're-An-Idiot for the low low price of £200. Bargain offer of a lifetime, RRP £500!

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Thankyou for not getting the sarcasm.

You're only going to end up with a rubbish guitar that looks pretty. What you're doing is stupid unless you have some sort of unbelievably sentimental attachment to that particular guitar.

For the amount you want to pour into the guitar you could be more than halfway to building a custom (which would be just as much the guitar you want with "your design" on it, that would be twice the guitar of any Ibanez production model, and twenty times the guitar of that bag of crap you call a GRX.

Any way you slice it, if you think you're getting a great deal by sinking money into polishing a turd, you've got more money than sense, and if you're that eager to lighten your wallet for stupid reasons, I'll be glad to sell you a big bag of GuitarBizarre's patented I-Think-You're-An-Idiot for the low low price of £200. Bargain offer of a lifetime, RRP £500!
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Oh, and by the way, I only just noticed you're in Australia. You should probably add a zero to the end of that 2K figure. I've heard more than once that luthiery is EXPENSIVE over there.
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