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Old 10-05-2009, 03:31 PM
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my humbrol came in today i tried no borax disgusting effects. im up to 1 cup to 5 gallons and am getting there was not opening evenly now getting better hope you are having better luck oh yeah no thinner needed here yet im using bright red and black.looked greasy at first now paint is setting on top better .
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:24 PM
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I have not had a chance yet...been busy. Post some pics - lets see what your getting.

My testers was working pretty good with my 50 gallons of water and 20oz of Borax...I think? Maybe it was 30oz. I would need to look back at my beginning post. Hopefully soon I'll get to it.
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Old 10-11-2009, 04:15 PM
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Old 10-12-2009, 12:48 AM
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Link is not working for me...
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Old 10-13-2009, 09:58 AM
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I like your naming of your swirls!

I'm guessing this is the success wtih your Humbrol? I still have not had a chance yet. Did you come up with any ratio's on your water and Borax? Did you ever have to dilute them either?

Hoepfully this weekend I can play!
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Old 10-13-2009, 07:15 PM
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Old 01-15-2010, 06:00 PM
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I have not posted here in a WHILE! It's not because I figured out the trick, and decided not to share - I literally have not had a chance to work on more trials...

But while I was looking around the web at stuff I came upon the "Time Machine" version of About Time Designs Web site...so I started looking around.

Brings me to the question - has anyone tried the paints used for Silk Screening or T-shirts? I ask this because it seems that was what he primarely did before the guitars. And while in between working for Fender and Ibanez, that is what he focused on. At least that's what his web site said in the history of the swirl...

I ask this too, because he has done T-Shirts, Sweat Shirts, etc. 1Shot, HOK, and other enamels are not going to work on that, they will harden and have no flex. Let alone stand up in the wash...

I guess it's possible that he did this with 2 different types of paint - but really? Do you think?

It's just a thought. I know 1Shot is working for some, Testors, etc. But it would still be intersting that find something better. Not that we will ever get a confirmation on what he was using.

Just made me wonder seeing that he is back at it for the Re-Issue...
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Old 01-15-2010, 06:13 PM
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I have a GMC swirl t-shirt to go with my GMC JEM

The shirt is a little harder than a normal cotton T, so I'm not sure what he used, but it's not like it doesn't affect the fabric, it definately seems to.

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Old 01-15-2010, 06:16 PM
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Intersting! Good to know - so maybe he did? Maybe I'll swirl a shirt and see how it dries.

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I recently purchased an RG20051, which is Ibanez factory-swirled guitar supposedly done by the same artist who did the MKR swirls for the UVMC. I took some closeups of the guitar that might help you.

Here's what I can tell from looking at the guitar. Many of the swirl attempts I see on here seem to come out of the tank with a fairly lumpy finish. The swirler then tries to hide this by building the surface up level with multiple layers of clearcoat. On my guitar, the swirl part of the paint appears extremely level. My guess is that the paint is thinned down quite a bit. If you look at the pictures below, you can see quite a lot of detail in certain areas that could only have been achieved with very thin paint that could mix pretty thoroughly.

This first picture shows a spot where there's a chip next to the trem. I've tried to show the thickness of the clearcoat (which is quite thick), but that may just be the nature of the polyester clear coat Ibanez uses, which may just have a very high build.



Extreme closeup shows better detail of chip:



Second shot showing more fine detail in the swirl



Extreme closeup. If you look carefully, you can find a fisheye from where a water droplet dried. There are a few of these in various spots on the guitar.



Other ideas I would try would be basic tricks from painting a car.

1. Prepare the guitar with a base coat and then get that coat to a 600 grit finish. When you paint a car and you go from primer to your topcoat or anytime you're in between coats, you sand to a 600 grit finish. This not only levels the surface, but promotes adhesion of the next coat. The scratches are fine enough that the next coat fills them in and still levels perfectly above them without leaving visible scratches.

2. Put a static charge on the guitar. Car manufactures paint this way. Basically, a static charge is put on the car body which causes the paint to attract to the body. This may or may not work, but it would be worth a try. You could rub the body with something like a rabbit pelt (remember your grade school science class?) and it might draw the paint in off the surface of the water to the guitar, giving you better coverage despite using very thin paint.

Another thing I would pay attention to is your dip tank and your water. The quality of the water will vary greatly from place to place and would have a big effect on how the paint floats and how well the water would sheet off the guitar when you're done. Hard water will tend to stick to the surface and leave a lot of droplets, which could lead to a bunch of ugly fisheyes. I'd consider getting a ton of distilled water and dipping the guitar only in that. I'd also get a quality detergent like Alconox and clean your whole dip tank thoroughly with it, then rinse with distilled.
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I wonder if using RO water would get better results...
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I wonder if using RO water would get better results...
Actually I was really thinking DI but I doubt many people have access to that.
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Old 01-18-2010, 02:48 AM
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The reason I said dont use Testers, is it has a clear lacquer mixed in that makes it clump and or dry slow and or uneven, plus it weights some colors. You really want to use flat paints when you can, it makes clearing easier.

Borax is used as a water softener/conditioner. I live in Atlanta and have hard water. Water has a surface film. If you take some tap water and drip a small dab of soap just on the top the tension film will break, you can even do this with a just washed finger. Which is why your black paint went to the sides with the film. The Borax removed this problem.

ATD shirts where done using a shirt form dipped into the paint.

Wade
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Old 01-18-2010, 05:53 PM
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Surpisingly I had some great results with a FEW of the testors colors.

I'm guessing I probably don't need Borax for my water - it;s not too bad.

Back to my idea of silk screen inks - I wonder how that would work? My father-in-law has silk screened shirts and he didn't see how it would be possible. He was saying the paint is like liquid plastic. This was a while ago that he did this. Does anyone know if the paints have changed?

Still gives me the idea of using some sort of fabric paint that is not water based...
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