2-Point Wilkinson trem..what can it do?

pera_a777 · #1 08-15-2006, 08:16 AM

Can you help me on this..since i have been the floyd rose guy so far..or at least lo pro kind of guy!

What can do this trem compared to floyd type..?does it have springs..?
Can it do flutter..?
Does it do and pull ups and push downs..? *i am not talking about exercising here)
Does it stay in tune..or it needs locking tuners..or smthng?
I have seen it on Agile PS-924 WE..
NIce guitar..although very cheap..which is nice..
Thank you for help..

eelblack2 · #2 08-15-2006, 08:32 AM

Wilkinson trem in my mind is probably the best non-locking alternative to a Floyd or a Floyd equivalent. I have one on my Warmoth/DG20 strat. It flutters like crazy but I would consider locking tuners and rollernut/friction-free nut an absolute requirement. Pull up and well as down is available as it it a fully floating trem.

pera_a777 · #3 08-15-2006, 09:06 AM

Thanx for the reply..
BUt can you tell me does it have some advantages compared to a floyd type system..?or it is a floyd type trem too..?
Sustain, or something..?

sniperfrommars1 · #4 08-15-2006, 09:27 AM

It has no inherent advantages over a floyd imo, as it allows for several compromises in regards to tuning stability. It likely has more bottom end than an OFR but less than say an edge. Obviously since the design is not locking you have less range for pitch shifting. Vintage style vibratos like these are imo only for vibrato techniques not pitch shifting. Hope that helps.

eelblack2 · #5 08-15-2006, 09:39 AM

If you are trying to justify it compared to a OFR or Edge family trem I would be careful how you make that decision. The Wilkinson is definitely a Floyd type trem from the 2 point knife perspective, but it looks and performs very differently than a full on Floyd or similar. (Mine is the Gotoh made Wilkinson just to quantify - I have tried several and I feel this on is the best in quality and performance) Here is the link so you can read up on it. (note the locking studs - happy happy joy joy)

http://www.warmoth.com/hardware/brid...dges_wilkinson

The first difference is that it is physically a smaller and has less mass than a Floyd. I would compare the sound to a Fender American Standard bridge. The trem itself flutters much more like an Edge than an OFR which is a big + in my book. The lack of locking nut will add to the "openness" and sustain of the guitar sound. The drawbacks - You cant pull up as far as a recessed routed Floyd, and the tuning is only about 80% as stable as a Floyd when you get really retarded with the trem. (Im talking REALLY retarded here not the casual pullup or dive) I have and LSR rollernut, Schaller licking tuners, and roller string trees - so I cant think of a more tension/friction free setup.

Hope this helps

marianozz · #6 08-15-2006, 10:00 AM

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when you get really retarded with the trem

Best explanation ever

slightly off topic, but could you post pics of that axe? full, bridge, nut, trees, the whole thing... sounds really interesting

pera_a777 · #7 08-15-2006, 02:29 PM

OK..nice to hear some replies..
But..what do you guys think than about this guitar..
http://www.rondomusic.net/ps924.html

It surely doesn't have a sperzel locking tuners and stuff..but could it be used with a moderate trem use..mostly flutter..and only small pull ups..maybe some dives..but very very subtle..
Thanx

Drew · #8 08-15-2006, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by eelblack2

Here is the link so you can read up on it. (note the locking studs - happy happy joy joy)

http://www.warmoth.com/hardware/brid...dges_wilkinson

I've been meaning to buy one of these for my '97 USA Strat, as I've never been totally happy with its existing bridge. I don't suppose you know if the studs on an American Standard 2-point trem are a direct retrofit for the posts on this particular trem? If I can just unscrew one set of posts and screw in the next, it's a pretty simple fix, but anything more complex than that and it's a bit of a process. I suppose it'd probably work with the existing strat posts, especially for dive-only like I'd be setting it up for, but the locking studs are a definite plus.

I should probably just ask Warmoth or Gotoh directly, shouldn't i?

eelblack2 · #9 08-15-2006, 04:17 PM

Would probably be best to ask Wilkinson, Warmoth, or Gotoh on that. Ive never tried that specific conversion myself.

Drew · #10 08-15-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Warmoth

Hi Drew,

Unfortunately, we can’t confirm or deny that. We honestly don’t have any way to know. And our feedback from our customers has been about 50/50. About half of them say that they had no trouble replacing their Fender American Standard bridge with a Wilkinson, and the other half have said that they’ve had to take the studs out, dowel the holes, redrill the holes, re-install the studs, and then mount the Wilkinson. Since we don’t do any assembly here, we have no way to know. Sorry about that.

Best regards,

Aaron Stultz
Warmoth Guitar Products, Inc.

How's that for customer service? Within an hour, I get an answer back saying they can't really confirm or deny, but giving me an accurate picture of other customer's experience. That's pretty cool of 'em.

I suspect it has something to do with year of manufacture, so I'll try Gotoh next and see what they have to say, but I might just wing it.

fettouhi · #11 08-15-2006, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by eelblack2

Wilkinson trem in my mind is probably the best non-locking alternative to a Floyd or a Floyd equivalent. I have one on my Warmoth/DG20 strat. It flutters like crazy but I would consider locking tuners and rollernut/friction-free nut an absolute requirement. Pull up and well as down is available as it it a fully floating trem.

Is it recessed?

Regards

André

fettouhi · #12 08-15-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by eelblack2

Schaller licking tuners.

Regards

André

fettouhi · #13 08-15-2006, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew

I've been meaning to buy one of these for my '97 USA Strat, as I've never been totally happy with its existing bridge. I don't suppose you know if the studs on an American Standard 2-point trem are a direct retrofit for the posts on this particular trem? If I can just unscrew one set of posts and screw in the next, it's a pretty simple fix, but anything more complex than that and it's a bit of a process. I suppose it'd probably work with the existing strat posts, especially for dive-only like I'd be setting it up for, but the locking studs are a definite plus.

I should probably just ask Warmoth or Gotoh directly, shouldn't i?

The Wilkinson trem does work with the standard 2 point studs. These were on my Warmoth strat I got of E-bay a few weeks back.

Regards

André

eelblack2 · #14 08-15-2006, 09:10 PM

Sorry for the poor photos I suck at photography. Here is the guitar in question with the Gotoh Wilkinson, and here is the link for those roller string trees/guides I was talking about earlier:

http://www.warmoth.com/hardware/part...ring_retainers

(the roller ones at the top)

David McCarroll · #15 08-15-2006, 10:46 PM

ooooh that's nice!

I had a very similar Wilkinson trem in a Japanese strat for quite a while, and my experience was that while it was a dramatic improvement over the six screw vintage style original bridge, it was not particularly Floyd like in tonal, or extreme trem respects - very smooth feeling for pitch bends and the like.

Cheers

David