Long Neck Tenon

sick-boy · #1 03-28-2007, 11:06 PM

Does anyone know what all Gibson Guitars come with the long neck tenon?
I see that most of there VOS ones have it, but I didn't know if any of their non-custom shop guitars came with it.
While we're at it, are there any other brands that use it for their guitars? Like ESP/Edwards, Dean, Washburn, etc...

**elcid** · #2 03-28-2007, 11:16 PM

Just the Custom Shop Les Pauls have it, they also have solid mahogany bodies

sick-boy · #3 03-28-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by elcid

Just the Custom Shop Les Pauls have it, they also have solid mahogany bodies

What do you mean by solid? No weight relief holes?

**elcid** · #4 03-28-2007, 11:23 PM

right, they use a lighter mahogany to make them.
It's bs if you ask me, if you want a Les Paul, deal withthe weight, but sometime around 1985ish they started withthe weight relief

sick-boy · #5 03-28-2007, 11:32 PM

What about any other brands? Does anyone else use the long neck tenon?

BTW, I don't care about the weight either. I used to own a Guild S-60D. That was like have an anvil strapped to your neck.

**elcid** · #6 03-28-2007, 11:54 PM

I heard that the Epiphone Elitist had a long neck tenon, but I can't confirm it.
Im not sure about the ESP, Dean or Washburn, but I would be very suprised if Dean or Washburn used one.

sick-boy · #7 03-29-2007, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by elcid

I heard that the Epiphone Elitist had a long neck tenon, but I can't confirm it.
Im not sure about the ESP, Dean or Washburn, but I would be very suprised if Dean or Washburn used one.

Well, I thought I had read somewhere that some of the Edwards models had them, but I can't find any info on them.
I've seen that you're a Gibsom man, elcid, is the long neck tenon and solid mahogony worth the price? Or should I see if I can find a cheaper route?

sick-boy · #8 03-29-2007, 02:10 AM

http://www.recordingreview.com/artic...s-it-mean.html
This is where I read about Edwards, but they don't say which models. They don't really provide any real information so it could just be repition of hear say.

**elcid** · #9 03-29-2007, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sick-boy

Well, I thought I had read somewhere that some of the Edwards models had them, but I can't find any info on them.
I've seen that you're a Gibsom man, elcid, is the long neck tenon and solid mahogony worth the price? Or should I see if I can find a cheaper route?

If you have the extra money to burn it's definatly worth it, my R7 is a completely different guitar than my other LPs, and I's pretty sure the solid body and long tenon are responsible for the difference. When I play the custom shop guitar, you can feel the whole body vibrate much more than you can with the production models, even more than my 76 Custom, which is also solid, but I dont think has the long tenon ( I think it was Norlin that stopped using it). Plus you are getting a better quality instrument all around. The Custom Shop guitar have better electronics, they are made with better woods, and they are just plain made better. A year or 2 ago you could pick up an R7 for not much more than a production Standard, sadly Gibson caught on and upped the prices, but if I had to buy mine all over again I would do it in a heartbeat. Now I just want to save up and maybe get an R9 or R0

**elcid** · #10 03-29-2007, 07:48 AM

Also, you can get the the reissues non-VOS, that's what I did. It was $200 more but I have a feeling VOS is the biggest scam since the moon landing. All VOS means is the guitar is lightly relic'd, everything else is exacly the same. I know the promotional material says they are more accuarate reissues and play better and blah blah blah, but htat just isnt the case. Admin on the Gibson forums and the guy I buy from both said it's strictly a cosmetic thing. My salesguy, who is a bad ass, went so far as to suggest that VOS is just Gibsons way of passing a guitar that may not be as good as a new guitar should be. It lets GIbson use old hardware that may have cosmetic flaws, and sell some guitars with slightly flawed finishes as new. In a way it made sense to me seeing as the VOS guitars are less expensive than non VOS, but you would think that the extra work involved with reillic'ing would add to the price. He also said that the VOS's he got just didnt play as nicely as the on VOS.

guitarob · #11 03-29-2007, 08:37 AM

there's a lot of debate as to what's better. check out the les paul forum.

for what it's worth, i stole these links from there and you can see the differences:

http://www.piller.at/music/lp68/tenon1.jpg

http://www.piller.at/music/lp68/tenon2.jpg

By the way, i'm getting very close to getting an R7 goldtop, just need to scrape together a little more $$$

**jemaholic** · #12 03-29-2007, 09:56 AM

I bought a brand new R-9 VOS for over $5K thinking I was getting the best Gibson has to offer.
I traded the guitar for a substantial loss one month later. The damn thing was impossible to stay in tune. Then they told me I needed new tuners because the original sprc tuners all had trouble staying in tune. WTF?
I pay over 5 grand an THEN need to change the tuners just to play it?!
Never mind the loss in value with changed tuners.....

I have such a bad taste in my mouth I'll probably never own a LP again...

(vent over now...)

sick-boy · #13 03-29-2007, 02:49 PM

From what I've been able to gather, some of the Edwards, Tokai, Burny, Greco, and Orvilles have the long neck tenon as well. Maybe I'll get one of these of the evilbay, since the price for the Gibson's equals roughly 20% of my annual salary.

sick-boy · #14 03-29-2007, 09:01 PM

http://www.espguitars.co.jp/edwards/index.html

I was looking at edwards page.
There's a green box on the right side of the screen underneath the pic of the guitar. If you look under that green box there's two smaller ones. One is obviously informing you that the guitar comes with Seymour Duncans. But the other box is interesting. Is it trying to say that the guitar has the longer neck tenon? Or is it just saying that it's set neck?
I don't read or speak Japanese, so I'm at a loss as to what the picture is trying to show.

**elcid** · #15 03-29-2007, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jemaholic

I bought a brand new R-9 VOS for over $5K thinking I was getting the best Gibson has to offer.
I traded the guitar for a substantial loss one month later. The damn thing was impossible to stay in tune. Then they told me I needed new tuners because the original sprc tuners all had trouble staying in tune. WTF?
I pay over 5 grand an THEN need to change the tuners just to play it?!
Never mind the loss in value with changed tuners.....

I have such a bad taste in my mouth I'll probably never own a LP again...

(vent over now...)

Im not sure who "they" are, but I have owned a ton of Gibsons, and I havent seen the need to change tuners for any reason other than cosmetic. Maybe Im just lucky