MOVING BEYOND WIZARD NECKS........ - Page 3

**Ayrton** · #31 12-13-2006, 06:14 PM

I am not saying there is not a difference, just that the difference is small. Honestly if such a small thing causes problems, then it is with the player and not the guitar.

Ke^in · #32 12-13-2006, 06:52 PM

Well duh it's the player. Players have different tastes and wants. Some like the wizard, some like the wizard II

Unless you are attempting to be condescending and say it's all in our heads. Which is not the case.

**Ayrton** · #33 12-13-2006, 09:26 PM

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Unless you are attempting to be condescending and say it's all in our heads. Which is not the case.

No, I am not trying to be confrontational at all, but you have to agree that something that minor should not be difficult to overcome. I have four Stratocasters and three of them have different neck profiles, but I don’t consider any one of them unplayable due to the neck

I understand preferring one neck over another, but when I hear people say they “can’t play” an Ibanez neck that has minimal changes over another, I think they are making a big deal out of something minor.

The good news is there are plenty of used guitars out there with Wizard necks or you can have them made. However I do think it would be interesting to know how many letters Ibanez actually receives about the neck profiles.

Ke^in · #34 12-13-2006, 10:13 PM

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No, I am not trying to be confrontational at all, but you have to agree that something that minor should not be difficult to overcome.

Well here is where we disagree. It's not minor. I can tell a big difference.

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I have four Stratocasters and three of them have different neck profiles, but I don’t consider any one of them unplayable due to the neck

I never said the Wizard II was unplayable. I said I preferred the original Wizard to it. I don't like the Wizard II. There is enough difference there that makes me not prefer it. I don't even think it's the thickness, but the shape the puts me off.

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I understand preferring one neck over another, but when I hear people say they “can’t play” an Ibanez neck that has minimal changes over another, I think they are making a big deal out of something minor.

Can't play AS WELL.

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The good news is there are plenty of used guitars out there with Wizard necks or you can have them made. However I do think it would be interesting to know how many letters Ibanez actually receives about the neck profiles.

I know tons of people on this forum alone that talks about the joys of the original wizard.

They just have a faster feel to them.

Wonder why most prestige and j-custom guitars have that shape?

**Ayrton** · #35 12-13-2006, 10:47 PM

Kevin,

I never wrote that my comments were directed specifically at you, so don’t feel I am pointing you out. I have no problem with people commenting on preferring the older necks, but I just don’t agree that it is a big deal.

I was not aware you could buy a USA market guitar with the original neck profile, but if you can, what is everyone complaining about?

LonePhantom · #36 12-13-2006, 11:17 PM

I thought most J-Custom guitars came with a different profile neck to the Wizard which was a bit fatter?

Ke^in · #37 12-14-2006, 07:41 AM

screwed up post

Ke^in · #38 12-14-2006, 07:43 AM

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I thought most J-Custom guitars came with a different profile neck to the Wizard which was a bit fatter?

Some do. Some don't.

Though since 2003 Ibanez has changed the dimensions for what they are calling a "wizard" neck hoping no one will notice.

I guess they think their customers are stupid.

The fact is, it's not cheap to make a wizard neck. It costs more to make than the wizard IIs. So if they think they can get away with it, they will.

Ke^in · #39 12-14-2006, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ayrton

Kevin,
I never wrote that my comments were directed specifically at you, so don’t feel I am pointing you out.

Nor did I say you were singling me out. My comment was based on what you said here

"if such a small thing causes problems, then it is with the player and not the guitar."

What did you mean by that?

It's worded as if anyone that prefers the wizard to the wizard II is "faulty" because there isn't much of a difference. If that's the case then you were being a bit condescending, and wrong to boot. If that isn't the case, then it was just worded poorly.

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I was not aware you could buy a USA market guitar with the original neck profile, but if you can, what is everyone complaining about?

I can't buy a new S series Ibanez with the original wizard profile. They dont make them. All S series are now made in the cheaper Korean plant which doesn't make the original wizards.

The fault isn't the player, or the guitar. But Ibanez for doing things just to make it CHEAPER on them while still charging the consumer the same price.

Ibanez lost a new guitar buy from me to **** because of this. Me and a lot of other people.

mccabekyle · #40 12-14-2006, 02:52 PM

Well, I agree that if Ibanez were smart, they would still be offering the good old Wizard in their new S series guitars. But, I'll admit that I take a particular liking to the Wizard II's, so I'll be buying a 2170 whenever AMS gets them back in stock.

I have a goofy "thumb around the neck" style of playing, and the thicker Wizard fits that a little bit better, especially for things like sweeping. Yeah, I know... I need to learn how to play "correctly".

crevis · #41 12-14-2006, 03:01 PM

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Well, I agree that if Ibanez were smart, they would still be offering the good old Wizard in their new S series guitars. But, I'll admit that I take a particular liking to the Wizard II's, so I'll be buying a 2170 whenever AMS gets them back in stock.

I have a goofy "thumb around the neck" style of playing, and the thicker Wizard fits that a little bit better, especially for things like sweeping. Yeah, I know... I need to learn how to play "correctly".

Your whole left hand should move downward without rotating as you ascend the sweep and it cant move if your thumb is wrapped around the neck

Original wizards are great for sweeping because of the large flat bit on the back.

Ke^in · #42 12-14-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mccabekyle

Well, I agree that if Ibanez were smart, they would still be offering the good old Wizard in their new S series guitars. But, I'll admit that I take a particular liking to the Wizard II's, so I'll be buying a 2170 whenever AMS gets them back in stock.

I have a goofy "thumb around the neck" style of playing, and the thicker Wizard fits that a little bit better, especially for things like sweeping. Yeah, I know... I need to learn how to play "correctly".

There is nothing wrong with the Wizard II in itself. And people do prefer it. I would never want Ibanez to stop making it. They should offer EIther OR though.

**Ayrton** · #43 12-14-2006, 04:24 PM

There is a difference between someone posting that they prefer the original neck over the newer ones and posting that they can’t play anything but the original.

My whole point was in reference to the posters who say they “can’t play” anything else.

I think we have beat this one to death.

Ke^in · #44 12-14-2006, 05:32 PM

I think if ANYONE said that they couldn't PLAY a wizard II they were using what is known as hyperbole.

What they probably mean is "don't like to play" or "can't play as well with" when referring to the WizardII

As I don't think anyone here actually believed he or she can't play the guitar with said neck period.

There is a big enough difference between the two that would mess up someone that was used to only playing with original wizard necks technique.

Someone that constantly plays different necks wont see the difference as much.

Why do you think Joe has his signature models guitar necks made JUST LIKE his "favorite" neck?

mccabekyle · #45 12-14-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by crevis

Your whole left hand should move downward without rotating as you ascend the sweep and it cant move if your thumb is wrapped around the neck

Original wizards are great for sweeping because of the large flat bit on the back.

I know what you mean!

I still manage to pull it off somehow, but it definitely affects my ability to stretch my fingers as far as they should go in some instances. Believe me, I'm working on it!