thanks ill have a look at yamaha, the reason why i dont just get one good one is because i want to get a 24 fret model and i realy like the look of the s series and a neck thru s would just be awesome, but im might change my mind ill look around for some others and ill checkout the ones you mentioned,
i would try and go for a pre 2003 ibanez s540 or a s470ol but the s540 ive never seen for less than 300 and that only in america which sucks cus im in uk, and ive never seen a s470ol '94 model

, if anyone knows of any for sale in or able to ship to uk please lemme know