PRS wins! Singlecut lives! Gibson screws themselves!

[elcid]

I currently have 8 Gibsons ranging from 1976 to 2005, I have had other Gibsons that I have since sold.
I only had QC issues with one of them. Not such bad odds. How many times do you see a used Ibanez for sale with the description containing "Hairline crack at the neck joint" or a similar complaint, yet no one mentions that on Ibanez QC. The biggest lemon I ever had was an Ibanez EX360, that (through no fault of Ibanez) the store I bought it from raped me on.
And as mentioned earlier, there are more than a few lower priced Gibsons, in fact one of mine is a faded SG and it's a dman fine guitar and better than anything else I've played in the $550 range.

Anyway, I'm glad PRS won, but and I would one day like to have a PRS Singlecut, it's the only PRS I like, but it would still never replace my Les Pauls.

[red5]

Originally Posted by frankfalbo

Fantastic.

"Only an idiot would confuse the two at point of sale" -Gibson lawyer

That says it all.

My thoughts exactly!

[King Knall]

Originally Posted by jemsite

Ibanez is a "corporate guitar company"

As I posted earlier, I was referring to the big two. Maybe I should've been more clear.

[red5]

Originally Posted by sniperfrommars1

Crazy but true. I still openly beleive PRS are honestly copying multiple gibson designs, but if gibson would only improve quality control, they could compete with prs.........something they simply have not been able to do...

Actually, PRS can't compete with Gibson. They need to drop their prices $3000 to do so.

[red5]

Originally Posted by elcid

I currently have 8 Gibsons ranging from 1976 to 2005, I have had other Gibsons that I have since sold.
I only had QC issues with one of them. Not such bad odds. How many times do you see a used Ibanez for sale with the description containing "Hairline crack at the neck joint" or a similar complaint, yet no one mentions that on Ibanez QC. The biggest lemon I ever had was an Ibanez EX360, that (through no fault of Ibanez) the store I bought it from raped me on.
And as mentioned earlier, there are more than a few lower priced Gibsons, in fact one of mine is a faded SG and it's a dman fine guitar and better than anything else I've played in the $550 range.

Anyway, I'm glad PRS won, but and I would one day like to have a PRS Singlecut, it's the only PRS I like, but it would still never replace my Les Pauls.

The Gibson quality control issue is not that they fall apart, it's that 99% of the non-custom shop models have crap necks on them.

[red5]

Originally Posted by pawel

I am happy with the result. I don't have all that much against either Gibson or PRS, but I thought the suit was a lame attempt at eliminaing some of the most serious competition - Somehow we didn't see Gibson going after ESP, Fernandez, etc...

I know. There would be more reason to go after ESP too, as they are not as overpriced as PRS and undersell Gibson.

[fettouhi]

Originally Posted by red5

Actually, PRS can't compete with Gibson. They need to drop their prices $3000 to do so.

and do some more lefties .

Regards

André

[giannifive]

Originally Posted by red5

The Gibson quality control issue is not that they fall apart, it's that 99% of the non-custom shop models have crap necks on them.

That's what I've heard from the local luthier, too. Interesting. Is Gibson still around just due to its name?

[jono]

Originally Posted by red5

Actually, PRS can't compete with Gibson. They need to drop their prices $3000 to do so.

I find that a very interesting comment, in the UK where both Gibson adn PRS are both import guitars they're usually regarded in the same area, and equivalent spec models (with equivalent figuring on the tops) going for rougly the same price structure. Most folks I know would seriously consider a PRS singlecut in the same price bracket as a "good" Les Paul.

Is this really that different on your side of the pond?

[vaijem777]

Originally Posted by red5

Actually, PRS can't compete with Gibson. They need to drop their prices $3000 to do so.

You can get a nice CU24 Standard for about as much as a Les Paul Standard (less if you go to the right place.)

You've got to compare apples to apples. The street price of a PRS CU22 Artist is priced about the same as a Gibson Les Paul Elegant. Similar woods, similar cosmetics, etc. The PRS has a wider variety of finish options, but if you compare truly SIMILAR models, neither company is priced much higher than the other. That's why they're considered competitors

[Ibanut]

maybe with this case guitar makers can use the strat headstock again without corporate inteference

[elcid]

Originally Posted by red5

The Gibson quality control issue is not that they fall apart, it's that 99% of the non-custom shop models have crap necks on them.

I'd be interested in seeing the research that proves 99% have crap necks, 100% of my non-custom shop Gibsons have had no neck issues.

[darren wilson]

Originally Posted by Ibanut

maybe with this case guitar makers can use the strat headstock again without corporate inteference

Unlikely. The Strat headstock has been trademarked, which means it's as much of a part of Fender's identity as the Fender logo itself.

The Gibson vs. PRS case was different because the two guitars were clearly different, one was merely "inspired" by the other, and to anyone but an idiot, they were distinct models.

I wonder if Gibson's lawyer who made the "idiot" remark is still employed after this appeal ruling.

[jay ratkowski]

PRS wouldn't have to touch their prices a bit to compete with Gibson. They would have to up their production to about triple what it is now (maybe more).

The biggest QC problems I see with Gibson are uneven necks (either horribly setup out of the box, or even warped) and fretjobs that would slice your hands open if you didn't file down the edges. Either Gibson does a terrible job putting necks together or their guitars are somehow subject to far more extreme weather conditions during shipping than any other company I've seen.

It seems these days that if you go to any guitar store and run your hand across the bottom of 10 Gibson necks, 3-5 of them will have frets that overhang at least to a noticeable degree.

[King Knall]

PRS guitars are more popular nowadays because they offer a lot more than a Les Paul. I mean you can order a Custom 24 with a coil-splitter. There's also a tremolo. I don't see a current Les Paul that has one (apart from the Neal Schon model).