What is with the Gibson Les Paul craze?

[dragsternj]

JJEMMER

Now i assume that some of the "rockstars" that play LP's are not getting paid by Gibson to play them. Like Slash or Buckethead or Jimmy Page and the list goes on and on. And yet they play Les Pauls. Why do they do that if they are heavy, uncomfortable and all the rest. One would assume that since they use those things on stage couple days a week they do pick a good tool, since they have a choice. One also would assume they do not need to be cool anymore... prove anything and so on..... where am i wrong?

And if the Jem is superior why don't you come up with lets say 5-6 jem players in the publik "rock" eye besides Vai.

So and now go back to my Jems They are nice, not better different.

@Tank I am in germany in the summer, i gladly bring one of my mint Jem's and trade it for your LP or maybe we can make a trade right now if your LP is in the same condition. Also would like to see a blues player with a Jem.
In regards to the weight see spiders post... he knows.... you don't

[screamndemon69]

You won't see too many (if any) pro players using other people's signatures but how many pros are using RG's? Lots.

Back in the day (80's) there were quite a few known players using JEMs.

not trying to argue a point or nothing, just saying

[jayeedublef]

Gibson Les Paul craze? No more than the bolt on neck Strat craze. Creamy tone & sustain versus twangy single coil tone, I 'll take thie first anytime.

[Tank]

Originally Posted by jono

No, that’s an opinion.

If you were to say “they carve out wood to make it lighter it will not sound exactly the same”, that would be a fact.

My mistake. Of course you are right and I stand corrected and hope you agree when I say:
If they carve out wood (or use lighter wood) the sound will be severely altered.

Originally Posted by kotornut

I'm still with those who play/buy whatever they want whether it's many of the same guitar or one of each.


"Buy and play what you like roget the hype." -My pops

I think he's right form Strats to Pauls to JEMs to Vs...If you like it and it sounds good then it is good. Names don't matter.


And before you get to it: I am not saying that every guitar crappy quality or not is just as good as any other. Quality for quality names don't matter.

I am totally with you on that one. If someone is paying 20k for a custom strat and it is their dream guitar and right for their sound -> Go for it.

But it saddened me to see some of my students buy 2k and above Gibsons that lacked quality and then taking em a long time and a loss to get rid of them. Same with several Fenders and so on.

People should be open minded about their instruments and play what suits them. I am by far no LP hater. Look at Tak Matsumoto, he has I think 4 signature LPs and I think he sounds absolutely great with them. Same for Slash and many many others.

People should lern to understand that THERE IS NO ULTIMATE GUITAR OVERALL.
There is only a guitar that will suit one individual the most.
I found my tone in Ibanez guitars many others wont. I can live with that and wont try to convert them.

[jono]

Originally Posted by Tank

My mistake. Of course you are right and I stand corrected and hope you agree when I say:
If they carve out wood (or use lighter wood) the sound will be severely altered.



I am totally with you on that one. If someone is paying 20k for a custom strat and it is their dream guitar and right for their sound -> Go for it.

But it saddened me to see some of my students buy 2k and above Gibsons that lacked quality and then taking em a long time and a loss to get rid of them. Same with several Fenders and so on.

People should be open minded about their instruments and play what suits them. I am by far no LP hater. Look at Tak Matsumoto, he has I think 4 signature LPs and I think he sounds absolutely great with them. Same for Slash and many many others.

People should lern to understand that THERE IS NO ULTIMATE GUITAR OVERALL.
There is only a guitar that will suit one individual the most.
I found my tone in Ibanez guitars many others wont. I can live with that and wont try to convert them.

Hell yes The evil is in the detail after all

I agree with everything you've said in this post, Tank. Sounds like a well rounded and well thought out take on it all to me

[CaptainD00M]

Threds like this are so obscenly pointless.
Back in 1989 people would have been saying the same exact thing about Ibanez and Jackson.

True there is some stock to the 'look' theory, i did see an auction on Tradme (NZ's answer to ****) where a dude was selling a lovely RGA (i wouldnt mind it instead of my Paul ) because his bands manager said it didnt go with the image.

As for crticisims such as 'its got a fixed bridge' that is easily changed. Khaler probably have the most install friendly trem when it comes to carved tops (shamless plug) so only rag on it for stuff you cant change.

And to the dude at the start of the forum who said they have tuning problems... your an idiot. If your going to tell me that a fixed bridge has more tuning issues, or potential issues than a floating trem, you need to go back to high school and sit remedial physics.

[CaptainD00M]

why didnt it let me post E Bay?

[Tank]

Originally Posted by CaptainD00M

Threds like this are so obscenly pointless.
Back in 1989 people would have been saying the same exact thing about Ibanez and Jackson.

True there is some stock to the 'look' theory, i did see an auction on Tradme (NZ's answer to ****) where a dude was selling a lovely RGA (i wouldnt mind it instead of my Paul ) because his bands manager said it didnt go with the image.

As for crticisims such as 'its got a fixed bridge' that is easily changed. Khaler probably have the most install friendly trem when it comes to carved tops (shamless plug) so only rag on it for stuff you cant change.

And to the dude at the start of the forum who said they have tuning problems... your an idiot. If your going to tell me that a fixed bridge has more tuning issues, or potential issues than a floating trem, you need to go back to high school and sit remedial physics.

Please do not get insulting.

It is perfectly possible (though I never observed it on a Gibson, but on several copies) that the tuners are so bad that tuning stability of a LP can be bad.
BUT a good double locking trem, that is well setup, (like an Edge) will hold its tuning like a fixed bridge.

So this can happen, generally speaking you are right of course, but sh*t happens.

[JJEMMER777]

Originally Posted by dragsternj

JJEMMER

One also would assume they do not need to be cool anymore... prove anything and so on..... where am i wrong?

Cool was never a part of the conversation. I play my guitars to make music which is a passion of mine. Cool means nothing to me - never did, never will.

For the last time, a Jem does everthing I want/need a guitar to do for me where as the LP restricts/inhibits me. (ME/MYSELF/I) I'm glad you like your LP's!! That's a good thing! (for YOU)

Read the post below yours regarding why other pros do not use a signature model. It's not rocket science


I could care a less about sig models, names, other musicains, whos cool and whos not. It doesn't confront me in the least.

You ask me where are you wrong?? Ask yourself that one lad

~open thy mind~

Originally Posted by CaptainD00M

Threds like this are so obscenly pointless.

My thoughts exactly

[andy7jem]

Originally Posted by CaptainD00M

Threds like this are so obscenly pointless.

Well.....lifes pointless really I mean....you're gonna die anyway so why bother

This stuff gives me something to read between porn surfing

[Roryrockslinda]

With the whole Les Paul thing, they're popular cos they're good sounding guitars.
However IMO very very very in-efficient, heavy, bulky neck, chunky, bleugh!
And they're cool cos Zakk Wylde and Slash use one.
That's about as deep as it gets.
Gimme a PRS any day though.

[Dag]

Originally Posted by andy7jem

This stuff gives me something to read between porn surfing

now that's what life is for ! ;p

[screamndemon69]

Originally Posted by andy7jem

This stuff gives me something to read between porn surfing

At least now we know if you get CTS, it won't be from playing your guitars

[andy7jem]

Originally Posted by screamndemon69

At least now we know if you get CTS, it won't be from playing your guitars

[TongueShredder]

I know alot of Gibson fans here are going to kill me for saying this, I think Gibson LP guitars are really overpriced. Michael Kelly's $715 LP sounds good , if not better than any LP that I have came across. Take a listen

http://www.guitarworld.com/article/m...lectric_guitar