Everything you know about 7 strings is...

[Dino]

Originally Posted by Flobanez

That is wild. Interesting looking 7. I'd love to play it.

I like it. I wish he would sell it to me. The guy is was made for has been waiting for a Zachary for over three years!

[Devo]

Originally Posted by bobby simcox

Thx,Bro,er....um....i'm just curious, how many Zacharys and Vigiers have Ya played?

I have played several Vigiers and they kick ass, like any guitar it may not be your thing but they are brilliantly made and dont come with any ego charges or fairy dust... the necks are extremely stable because he uses a little carbon fibre in them (like many other builders do) ... and becasue of the stability they will hold a low action for a long time without need for constant tweaking... hence you get lots of people who need low action playing them... Ron Thal and Stanley Jordan come to mind...

I would try a Zachary ... but in all likelihood if I didnt like it Dino and yourself would say that "I just didnt get it" ... despite more than 15 years of playing and owning in excess of 30 and playing thousands of different guitars from one off customs from the best guitar makers in the world to cheapo replicas from china...

The way you guys (Dino in particular) go on and on about this guy like he puts some sort of magic fairy dust in every guitar that you can only percieve if you believe strong enough... is enough to ensure that everyone you talk to would rather piss blood then even lay one finger on his mystical-superior-guitar-creations-that-are-so-much-better-than-guitars- that-using-the-word-guitar-is-a-slur-agaisnt-the-instrument

You guys could have gathered alot more Zachary fans had you not adopted his elitest attitude... anyway there is nothing special about this guy or his techniques or his ugly ass designs ... there are plenty of other better builders out there who build guitars out of love for creating musical instruments and not for hearing their own voice, disseminating nonsense and aquiring a cult following of easily lead nut cases.

Please start a zachary worship forum somewhere else ...

end of rant

[Algiman]

Originally Posted by Devo

I have played several Vigiers and they kick ass, like any guitar it may not be your thing but they are brilliantly made and dont come with any ego charges or fairy dust... the necks are extremely stable because he uses a little carbon fibre in them (like many other builders do) ... and becasue of the stability they will hold a low action for a long time without need for constant tweaking... hence you get lots of people who need low action playing them... Ron Thal and Stanley Jordan come to mind...

I would try a Zachary ... but in all likelihood if I didnt like it Dino and yourself would say that "I just didnt get it" ... despite more than 15 years of playing and owning in excess of 30 and playing thousands of different guitars from one off customs from the best guitar makers in the world to cheapo replicas from china...

The way you guys (Dino in particular) go on and on about this guy like he puts some sort of magic fairy dust in every guitar that you can only percieve if you believe strong enough... is enough to ensure that everyone you talk to would rather piss blood then even lay one finger on his mystical-superior-guitar-creations-that-are-so-much-better-than-guitars- that-using-the-word-guitar-is-a-slur-agaisnt-the-instrument

You guys could have gathered alot more Zachary fans had you not adopted his elitest attitude... anyway there is nothing special about this guy or his techniques or his ugly ass designs ... there are plenty of other better builders out there who build guitars out of love for creating musical instruments and not for hearing their own voice, disseminating nonsense and aquiring a cult following of easily lead nut cases.

Please start a zachary worship forum somewhere else ...

end of rant

Hear hear.

[Eco]

I dont understand why people bring up his attitude when he asked for opinions on the guitar.

Most guitars have probably been worked on at some stage by an arrogant dick at some point, hell, theres probably a bunch of people working in Ibanez' factorys on the Jems and JS guitars who are up on themselves, that doesnt make the products any less desirable.

Dont get me wrong, theres not 1 guitar that guy has made which i like, but how i feel about his designs has nothing to do with what he believes or his philosophy on being a luthier, its just personal preferance.

I wonder how many people who think he's a dick and slag him off have actually spoken to him.

[bobby simcox]

Originally Posted by Devo

I have played several Vigiers and they kick ass, like any guitar it may not be your thing but they are brilliantly made and dont come with any ego charges or fairy dust... the necks are extremely stable because he uses a little carbon fibre in them (like many other builders do) ... and becasue of the stability they will hold a low action for a long time without need for constant tweaking... hence you get lots of people who need low action playing them... Ron Thal and Stanley Jordan come to mind...

I would try a Zachary ... but in all likelihood if I didnt like it Dino and yourself would say that "I just didnt get it" ... despite more than 15 years of playing and owning in excess of 30 and playing thousands of different guitars from one off customs from the best guitar makers in the world to cheapo replicas from china...

The way you guys (Dino in particular) go on and on about this guy like he puts some sort of magic fairy dust in every guitar that you can only percieve if you believe strong enough... is enough to ensure that everyone you talk to would rather piss blood then even lay one finger on his mystical-superior-guitar-creations-that-are-so-much-better-than-guitars- that-using-the-word-guitar-is-a-slur-agaisnt-the-instrument

You guys could have gathered alot more Zachary fans had you not adopted his elitest attitude... anyway there is nothing special about this guy or his techniques or his ugly ass designs ... there are plenty of other better builders out there who build guitars out of love for creating musical instruments and not for hearing their own voice, disseminating nonsense and aquiring a cult following of easily lead nut cases.

Please start a zachary worship forum somewhere else ...

end of rant

Thx for the consise review of Vigier guitars!!! That's actually what i was hoping to get!!! It's refreshing to hear something related to hands on experience instead of most of the silly imature trolling, and personal flaming that goes on here!!! Contrary to poular belief, i'm not here to sell Zachary guitars, or defend Alex's marketing tactics, and i don't have an "elitist" attitude about such things!!! Honestly, i could care less what guitar anybody else plays, cause for me, it's all about the music one makes, NOT the tools that they choose use!!! i've been playing guitar for 30 yrs now, and spent 25 of those yrs searching for the perfect guitar for me!!! i've finally found what works best for me and if i can help shorten someone elses search, that would make me very happy!!! i've also played just about every guitar out there, highend and cheapies, Vigiers(not fretless) included, so i believe that qualifies me to have a valid opinion!!! If that makes me a "nut case" or a "Koolaid drinker", then so be it, at least i've got hands on experience to back up my convictions!!! When i was on the now defunct Zachary Forum, i was ostrasized(even by Alex) because i use Line6 digital equipement in my professional endeavors!!! Even when i explained the neccessity in my situation, it took time for most of those folks to lighten up!!! Trust me, i'd be the LAST guy to accuse anyone of "not getting it"!!! Hell, i recomended that someone get a Carvin on one of the other threads on this forum!!! Remember, just because You don't like the fella that creates Zachary Guitars, doens't neccessarily mean that the people that DO like them are gonna be "jerks" too!!! Life's too short to be hatin'!!!
end of rant

[bobby simcox]

Originally Posted by Eco

I dont understand why people bring up his attitude when he asked for opinions on the guitar.

Most guitars have probably been worked on at some stage by an arrogant dick at some point, hell, theres probably a bunch of people working in Ibanez' factorys on the Jems and JS guitars who are up on themselves, that doesnt make the products any less desirable.

Dont get me wrong, theres not 1 guitar that guy has made which i like, but how i feel about his designs has nothing to do with what he believes or his philosophy on being a luthier, its just personal preferance.

I wonder how many people who think he's a dick and slag him off have actually spoken to him.

Amen

[Devo]

Originally Posted by bobby simcox

Remember, just because You don't like the fella that creates Zachary Guitars, doens't neccessarily mean that the people that DO like them are gonna be "jerks" too!!! Life's too short to be hatin'!!!
end of rant

addendum to prior rant ...

I dont know man... anyone who dishes out for a Zachary has either too much money or too little sense...

anyway while Im generally mad a Zachary ... Im enraged at threads like this where someone disseminates his nonsense to the masses in a very confrontational way ... i.e. by trying to tell me that every peice of equipement Ive ever owned is no better than rubbish... I am a fool for not noticing how vastly inferior my stuff is... and what I really need to do is spend thousands and thousands on this stuff because its way better... Zachary says so... hence it must be true.

I have no intention of supporting or getting to know someone like Zachary whose philosophy and morals are so at odds with mine...

[bobby simcox]

Originally Posted by Devo

addendum to prior rant ...

I dont know man... anyone who dishes out for a Zachary has either too much money or too little sense...

Dude, we're talkin' Guitars here, not Cocain!!!

er....that's a Joke, just in case no one gets it!!!

[bobby simcox]

Originally Posted by Devo

addendum to prior rant ...

I dont know man... anyone who dishes out for a Zachary has either too much money or too little sense...

anyway while Im generally mad a Zachary ... Im enraged at threads like this where someone disseminates his nonsense to the masses in a very confrontational way ... i.e. by trying to tell me that every peice of equipement Ive ever owned is no better than rubbish... I am a fool for not noticing how vastly inferior my stuff is... and what I really need to do is spend thousands and thousands on this stuff because its way better... Zachary says so... hence it must be true.

I have no intention of supporting or getting to know someone like Zachary whose philosophy and morals are so at odds with mine...

Seriously Bro, if Ya don't mind, would Ya please cite anywhere on this forum where i have treated anyone disrespectfully!!! Frankly, i haven't seen any of that fr Dino or myself, and we're the only 2 Zachary players on this site that i'm aware of!!!

[Dee]

Originally Posted by Eco

I dont understand why people bring up his attitude when he asked for opinions on the guitar.

I wonder how many people who think he's a dick and slag him off have actually spoken to him.

Aaaah, at last, some sense.

Originally Posted by Devo

addendum to prior rant ...

I dont know man... anyone who dishes out for a Zachary has either too much money or too little sense...

anyway while Im generally mad a Zachary ... Im enraged at threads like this where someone disseminates his nonsense to the masses in a very confrontational way ...

I have no intention of supporting or getting to know someone like Zachary whose philosophy and morals are so at odds with mine...

Funny how the Zach fans here (mainly Dino, Bobby, and me) are probably the least confrontational of all the people who wrote in this, and many other, threads. If we mention Zach guitars or Alex, we get nailed by almost an entire forum of angry haters. Good one.

I think it's damn funny how people constantly bash Alex when they haven't ever dealt with him. Why, if you are so "enraged" (LOL) with the Zach threads, don't you simply ignore them? And if you don't like the guitars, FINE, go elsewhere and buy whatever it is that makes you happy. My guess is that, really, you enjoy these threads because it allows you to vent. What's up? Wife nagging you? Hard day at the office? Didn't get laid for the last 15 years? Dick too small? All of the above? This is to all the Alex / Zach bashers, btw, I'm not singling out one person, but thanks Devo for letting me use your quote, which, IMO, is slightly over-the-top and dramatic. As I said, if you don't like what's been posted, go read something else. Otherwise, don't be claiming to be "enraged" by a silly little forum thread.

[Satchriossi]

Was this poll and thread started purely to stir s**t?

[Devo]

Originally Posted by Dee

Funny how the Zach fans here (mainly Dino, Bobby, and me) are probably the least confrontational of all the people who wrote in this...

What's up? Wife nagging you? Hard day at the office? Didn't get laid for the last 15 years? Dick too small? All of the above?

non-confrontational eh?? in yet another topic telling me everything I know is wrong eh? ... sounds completely non-confrontational to me... sure...

**** off back to your imaginary world hypocrite...

[Devo]

Originally Posted by bobby simcox

Seriously Bro, if Ya don't mind, would Ya please cite anywhere on this forum where i have treated anyone disrespectfully!!! Frankly, i haven't seen any of that fr Dino or myself, and we're the only 2 Zachary players on this site that i'm aware of!!!

Sorry Bob, you are a perfect gentleman as far as Im concerned... after you picked up on my Vigier suggestion, I thought I should clarify that its from experience that I would suggest Vigier... and got a little carried away with my Zachary hate... Its hard to control it

[jemplayer55]

Originally Posted by Dee

Aaaah, at last, some sense.




Funny how the Zach fans here (mainly Dino, Bobby, and me) are probably the least confrontational of all the people who wrote in this, and many other, threads. If we mention Zach guitars or Alex, we get nailed by almost an entire forum of angry haters. Good one.

I think it's damn funny how people constantly bash Alex when they haven't ever dealt with him. Why, if you are so "enraged" (LOL) with the Zach threads, don't you simply ignore them? And if you don't like the guitars, FINE, go elsewhere and buy whatever it is that makes you happy. My guess is that, really, you enjoy these threads because it allows you to vent. What's up? Wife nagging you? Hard day at the office? Didn't get laid for the last 15 years? Dick too small? All of the above? This is to all the Alex / Zach bashers, btw, I'm not singling out one person, but thanks Devo for letting me use your quote, which, IMO, is slightly over-the-top and dramatic. As I said, if you don't like what's been posted, go read something else. Otherwise, don't be claiming to be "enraged" by a silly little forum thread.

Dee..... Speaking of "enraged" and "confrontational" babble....... Such a fine example you post! And probably took little effort, yes?

Actually, it's just another guitar to me. A "tool" to create music on as pointed out earlier. I just don't understand the near religious belief in this or any guitar.

Come on now..... Moses didn't carry a Zachary guitar or amp down off the mountain. Nor has Zachary introduced a design that has taken either the guitar or amp to some new height, let alone some new innovation or circuit design.

While they appear to be well constructed, they're not anything more than you can get from any custom luthier or amp builder.

I do find it odd that in the last couple of weeks we've suddenly been flooded with threads regarding his wares, as some starting these threads have been members for awhile.

Why all of a sudden? You just "discovered" them? Great, mention you like them..... but don't start a thread in what could be construed as pugnacious and then wonder why people bash or criticise. Otherwise, everything I "know" about posting must be.......

[FloridaNative]

Pugnacious?? I had to look that up in the dictionary. Good word! hehehehe

What I don't understand is how Dee was able to say d1ck without it being edited out. I find that fascinating. hehehehehe

I say live and let live. If people like the guitars fine, buy them, if you don't like them fine don't. But getting all crazy over it is just silly. Just my humble 2 cents for what they're worth, but then again, everything I know about counting change is wrong.