Gibson Explorer 7!

[C.Thep]

Originally Posted by elcid

Awesome,
Korea still doesn't have the same environmental standards as USA, Japan, Europe, and other developed countries, nor are the employees paid anywhere near a fair rate.

Agiles aren't cheap because the company is run by nice guys, it's because people get screwed and corners are cut.

But your right, that isn;t the point of the thread

Now what would America be like if we had that sort of righteous mind set back then?

but come to think of it, Korea is a rich country and has an education system FAR better than we do. Its a hub for research of technology and medicine. Now I may be wrong, but "inhumane treatment of child slaves in earth-killers" might be exaggerating for a country with a human development index right on par with the US.

I think you just made a long-shot assumption that about a budget guitar company, and perhaps confused it with Chinese factories. but for all I know, that scenario could be the case (or they were some highschool dropouts who can't get jobs elsewhere)...however, please don't tell me you are boycotting Korean products because of it.

[elcid]

Originally Posted by C.Thep

Now what would America be like if we had that sort of righteous mind set back then?

but come to think of it, Korea is a rich country and has an education system FAR better than we do. Its a hub for research of technology and medicine. Now I may be wrong, but "inhumane treatment of child slaves in earth-killers" might be exaggerating for a country with a human development index right on par with the US.

I think you just made a long-shot assumption that about a budget guitar company, and perhaps confused it with Chinese factories. but for all I know, that scenario could be the case (or they were some highschool dropouts who can't get jobs elsewhere)...however, please don't tell me you are boycotting Korean products because of it.

Korean, Chinese, Indonisian, any country that allows its workers to be forced into long hours, low pay and unsafe work conditions. I know South Korea is nowhere near as bad as North Korea, but devaluing labor is bad for everyone in the long term. Again, it's not the point of this thread, but imported products are cheap for a reason, mainly work conditions and disgustingly low wages.

[C.Thep]

Originally Posted by elcid

Korean, Chinese, Indonisian, any country that allows its workers to be forced into long hours, low pay and unsafe work conditions. I know South Korea is nowhere near as bad as North Korea, but devaluing labor is bad for everyone in the long term. Again, it's not the point of this thread, but imported products are cheap for a reason, mainly work conditions and disgustingly low wages.

Yeah, but I was trying to get at there's plenty of opportunities in an array of industries from one of the most advanced countries in the world. I find it hard to believe that the people who work in those guitar factories don't have other choices if conditions were actually that poor.

-sorry to jack the thread

[cornstar70]

Nah it's cool. I was just making the comparison that Gibson has relied on "sketchy" facilities to cut down on overhead cost. I don't personally own an Agile, but for the price as compared to the Gibson, you're getting something pretty close: mahogany, EMG's, etc, etc. I'd personally by an RG 1527 or the S7320 over those guitars anyday.

[jim777]

I'd be interested at 25 1/2", because I love Gibson Explorers, but I've had a 24 3/4" 7 and I personally found the low B a bit floppy at that length. They should have adjusted the scale length on this one in my opinion, and not stuck with the stock Explorer scale.

[Homebake]

maybe gibson are trying to keep up with ibanez and all the other "shred" guitar companies; EMGs, 7-strings, floyds...heh.

too bad about the scale of the guitar.

[NeglectedField]

24.75 is an absurdly short scale for a 7-string. I even struggle to get low B clarity on a 25.5 7-string without finding insane custom gauges.

[g.milko]

guys it's short scale!

how can you play the seventh on 24'', 3/4'' guitar ???? -_-