Korn 7-string

[tagg 7]

I guess for arguments sake head, and monkey are making a lot more than any of us. (well i assume anyway) I wasnt trying to start a debate with my comments in previous posts. What I was actually trying to say is that they are two Vai fans the same as you and me. The differance is they found a way to make millions doing what they love. I just wish we were all that lucky.
They even got to play with Vai what a dream come true. I'd probably feel like i suck big booty though. It would be a mess, but non-the-less I wouldnt give up the chance to play with him.

Buzz

[bob oakman]

It’s a shame that this is such a volatile topic. I don’t understand that.

I wasn’t going to go in a direction that could start another KoRn debate, but since people are discussing it in a civil manner and their Ibanez endorsement makes them a valid Jemsite topic, I think it’s somewhat safe to make a couple comments. I’ll be careful.

We did the very first KoRn video that aired on MTV. At the time they were just beach bums having a good time and had no idea they would help to create a style that will probably always be associated with them. We literally used footage from their home videos. They didn’t even care about creating a “professional” image for TV. From the beginning they had no pretense about being technically superior or ambition to create music for the musician. They just are who they are and they happen to be Ibanez players. I think that’s good.

MHO:

I watched the KoRn TV with Vai. True, Monkey didn’t blow me out of the water with the soloing thing, but Steve didn’t do so great with the heavy chording thing either. My point… Who cares who’s better at guitar. Someone always has to be better. Not everybody is the same. Besides, better is a mater of perspective. I think the point from our perspective as forum members is that Ibanez has added a new 7-string to the lineup. It’s endorsed by KoRn. There must be some validity to their music. Now Vai and KoRn have common ground. We can debate about the guitar’s usefulness, beauty, price and workmanship, but we should probably be careful about insulting each other based on individual opinions about the endorsees… and I think we have been… this time.

I hope I’m not being too stupid about this. I just like you guys and wish we could feel free to discuss KoRn and their instruments without fear of starting something that will make Glen click on that little “ip” link at the bottom of someones post. I hope this isn’t one of those.

That said, I like KoRn. I like Steve more. That’s just me… If I didn’t have UV77MC-GAS so badly, I would consider the new 7-string. Not because it’s KoRn endorsed, but because it’s kinda’ cool looking (based on the one poor quality photo I've seen)… but the u-bar thingie would have to go.

[jemsite]

Well said Bob, that was the best "korn" post I've read to date ...glen

[littlegreenman]

Ya know what's cool, is that there is another 7 string coming out for people to choose from period. *I don't mind KoRn, I'm a huge Vai fan, but I have never seen a Vai concert. *He's never done the solo thing up here for all us Vai-natics. *I did see KoRn last time around and you know what, that particular show sucked! *But who cares, the huge KoRn fans loved it. *I would like to see Vai live even if that particular show sucked. The bottom line is this, KoRn and Vai are to different styles of music.
Why judge a guitar based on who endorses it. *It comes down to if you like the way it looks, the way it plays, the way it sounds and the price, buy it. *If you don't, don't buy it. *To say that it sucks because it's a KoRn guitar is dumb. * Every single one of the "Rock stars" started out as typical "beach bums" as Bob put it or something like that. *I know that if I ever become "Famous" *I would still play the Jems and UV's until somebody wanted me to endorse their product (but I can't see much in the way of improving what's out there) and even then, they'de still be as close to the Jems and UV's as I could legally have them. *If the new K7 was Vai's new guitar, would that make any difference? *It probably would to some people.
This debate is silly as far as I'm concerned, but that's just my opinion which doesn't really matter to anyone but me. :biggrin:
C-ya
Jeremy

[jem7pbk]

I've seen that alot of their customs have powder coated hardware ( like white), I hope they do that on the production models. Any one know for sure what color the hardware will be? I wonder if the u-bar becomes popular will we see it on other Ibanez models?

[mecca777]

On the topic of the U-Bar, while I can understand why it might appeal to Korn, since they often use the "palm on the bridge" method of vibrato (I used to do this myself a lot, simply because a guitar teacher told me it was "wrong", and I wanted to spite him for such an idiotic statement), I can't really understand the utility of it as it looks in the picture.

Surely the exact same effect can be achieved by placing the tremolo arm across the bridge, at a right angle to the strings, and then turning it back about five degrees?

So on the one hand, it looks to me just a bit like a gimmicky "unique selling point". On the other hand, if the speculation that it will allow people to convert the trem to left-handed use is correct, then I suppose it's still a useful feature.

[lgascoig]

I like to eat KoRN, even though I can't digest it. Heh, but seriously someone just posted in the JP forum, "Yah but Kirk Hammett and James Hetfield use ...blah blah blah..." and I think posting about KoRN in this forum will elicit a similar negative reaction.

[darren wilson]

It's interesting that this guitar would stir up so much controversy. But think back to when the JEM made its debut... i'm sure there was a lot of controversy back then, too, and i'm sure a lot of the same questions were being asked about whether playing a JEM would peg you as a "Vai wannabe" or whether the guitars would stand on their own merit.

I'm sure people will appreciate the merits and features of the K-7 much as people appreciate JEMs, JSes, JPMs, PGMs, etc. You don't necessarily have to be a fan of the artist behind a "signature" guitar to appreciate a quality instrument that you feel is part of your own "voice".

I guess part of what polarizes people's opinions of a lot of "rock" signature guitars are that they generally have a lot more of the artist's input on the aesthetics of the guitar, whether that be neon colours and wild inlays, painted-on f-holes, etc. You end up loving them or hating them, partly because the "look" of the guitar is identified with the star endorsee.

Signature Strats are an interesting contrast to the Ibanez signature solid-bodies. Aside from the colour, most of them pretty much look the same, but there are enough differences that make the Eric Clapton signature strat different from the Jeff Beck signature model, the Stevie Ray Vaughan Strat, the Buddy Guy model, or the Yngwie Malmsteen Strat, etc. It's the sound and the feel of the guitar that make them unique and personal instruments, not the tiny little signature on the headstock.

Why should the K-7 be criticized for being associated with KoRn any more than the JEM is for its Vai origins?

[littlegreenman]

I don't care what anyone said about the Jem's, handles in guitars is the best idea since sliced bread and cream corn sandwiches (or pockets in shorts):biggrin:
Jeremy

[stephen6]

I dont like Steve Vai or Korn. *I have a uv777bk and jem90.

Personally I think the K-7 will be a neat guitar. *In the 80s I used the Kahler trems with the palm bar, so I can see a use for it already. *Hopefully it can be removed. *The PAFs will be a nice change from my UV.

I dunno, its going to be a hard choice between the new JPM7 and the K-7. *I am a diehard Ibanez fan. *A few hours with these 2 axes and a Mesa will be the deciding factor, then a call to Rich =)

Steve

[steve]

To lend support to points made above;
I was originally interested in the Jem because of Mr. Vai - largely because it had the many factors I wanted a guitar to have, plus it was a new direction for me at the same time.
The UV came along, and I was all over that, got one in 1990 - BUT, by that time, my interest was born of a liking for that style of intrument. It had all of the features I wanted. Nowadays, there's the RG7s, of which I have one as well. Fine machine, and an offspring of the beloved UVs, I'd have to say.
The K-7 is going to be yet another member of the family - which amounts to this: another option for 7-string players. I'd have to say that it's outstanding to see new 7-string variants showing up. More power to them - and to us. It's too bad that Ibanez felt the need to eliminate the RG7-620, as that leaves a wider gap from RG7-42x to the next up 7, which will now, I gather, be the K-7.
KoRn, and other bands who gathered up more interest in the 7-string lineup have been an asset to those of us who want more options in terms of instruments/finished available, etc. And, much like the Jem (save for the 555), the signature artist's name does not appear on the instrument. K-7 is 'close,' one might say; but, it does not say 'KoRn' on it. I'm sure it'll be a relatively small and subtle inlay.
So, I say, welcome it aboard as another option. Myself, I have only one provisional condition on that; as long as the socket will take a traditional bar as well as the U-Bar, then, bingo!
As for pickups - I've /never/ purchased a guitar without immediately changing at least the bridge pickup, as my playing works best with a rather high output job in the bridge position. So, if I purchased a K-7, I'd be putting in something like a Blaze Custom in the bridge. I imagine I'd like the PAF-7 in the neck juuuuuuuuust fine.

So, to summarize; options are good.
=]

[Noodles]

Hi all, does anyone know how much I should expect to be knocked off the list price? Also what is the release date?

[jemsite]

does anyone know how much I should expect to be knocked off the list price? Also what is the release date?

*You can typically get 30-40% off LIST price for production model Ibanez guitars. Release date unknown... glen

[Rich]

Typically, but I've just been informed all sigs and Prestige (which technically all sigs are) are back on B Mark pricing (dealer cost wise) and that the Jems are back up to $2400 for the 7V and $1600 for the DBK like they were in the middle of the summer. Don't know why the change, just being informative.

[Getthis]

what is B mark pricing?