Zachary 8-string

[bobby simcox]

Originally Posted by elcid

Marketing hype like "Everything you know about guitars is wrong"?

i guess, in the purest sence of the word, that statement can be deemed Hyperbol, but considering it's the headline of a Q&A column in Esquire, who's primary readership knows zilch about guitars, there's probably more truth to it than most naysayers on this forum would care to concede!!!

i was mostly refering to the major guitar manufacturers that have sizeable promotional budgets to recruit the current Rock and Plegm-TV poster children to their cause!!! Just because someone is paid to play or endorse a "signature" guitar doesn't neccessarily equate to a High Quality product!!!

Personally, i think it would be a ballsy move for a Major Guitar Mag to reprint the Esquire piece, but then again we probably shouldn't expect them to risk offending their High Revenue Advertisers for the sake of an Honest, Informed,Differing opinion!!!

but we knew all that!!!

[bobby simcox]

Originally Posted by madpickin03

http://zacharyguitars.com/040705_05.JPG
looks like a giant penis

bet all the girls go "UUuuuuh" and "AAaaaah" when they touch the fretboard . . . . .

uh.......er........well........YES, they DO!!!

[jono]

Originally Posted by bobby simcox

i guess, in the purest sence of the word, that statement can be deemed Hyperbol, but considering it's the headline of a Q&A column in Esquire, who's primary readership knows zilch about guitars, there's probably more truth to it than most naysayers on this forum would care to concede!!!

It's true that a magazine like esquire isn't going to have much comeback from an article like this, its readers will more likely read it in their dentists' waiting room passing the time before their root canal work There's probably as much truth to it as their "fashion" tips. i.e. it's one mans opinion printed as fact, regardless of whether it can be substantiated. But I degress and that thread was closed

Originally Posted by bobby simcox

i was mostly refering to the major guitar manufacturers that have sizeable promotional budgets to recruit the current Rock and Plegm-TV poster children to their cause!!! Just because someone is paid to play or endorse a "signature" guitar doesn't neccessarily equate to a High Quality product!!!

This much is defiantely true. I'm always shocked by signature models that appear and bear no resemblance to the guitar the "rock star" was playing last week!

Originally Posted by bobby simcox

Personally, i think it would be a ballsy move for a Major Guitar Mag to reprint the Esquire piece, but then again we probably shouldn't expect them to risk offending their High Revenue Advertisers for the sake of an Honest, Informed,Differing opinion!!!

Yes it would be a ballsy move indeed, I think the bigger obstacle wouldn't be the advertising budget but first of all convincing a guitar magazine editor, most of whom seem to have fairly concrete opinions about what makes a good guitar, usually play in a fairly decent band and have several thousands of pounds worth of gear (certainly in the UK) that everything THEY know about a guitar is wrong.

With regards to the actual 8 string in question, it looks beautifully constructed and finished from the photos, and I'm a big fan of natrual finish guitars and matching headstocks, but it's just so damn ugly!!!

[crevis]

Originally Posted by bobby simcox

Bro,here's the thang, You equate "quality" w/ numeric consistancy!!! You've bought into the paradigm that because a CNC machine can produce consistant bodies and necks to the Nth degree, that somehow that equates to quality and anything that isn't to that Nth degree is lacking!!! That may be true when Yer building high performance engines or micro-chips for computers, but it doesn't neccessarily equate to Art or Craftsmanship!!! If Yer like Steve Vai, and Ya want production guitars that all sound and feel the same, then that's the way to go, but if that's not what You're neccessarily after, then that's not Yer only option!!! Since i found Zachary, i've retired all of my CNC production guitars because, frankly, they don't stack up!!! They don't sound as good(to my ear), they don't play as well(to my hands), and quite honestly, it's pretty nice knowing that i'm playing one of a kind instruments that the builder poured his heart and soul into!!! i own 7 Zacharys w/ an 8th on the way, and they all feel different, but they all feel and sound GREAT!!! Inspiring is a good Synonym!!! If that's not quality and consistancy, then i don't know what is!!! i've played my share of Hand Made guitars before Zachary, and i thought that none of them were worth a damn!!! Especially for the prices those fellas were charging!!! They were more like interesting pieces of furniture w/ pick-ups and strings, and they just felt nasty to me!!! When i stumbled upon the Zachary site, i was intrigued by what Alex was saying and figured that his "ballsy" attitude was evidence of his conviction, and that he was way too proud to put out Crap!!! i took a chance, and Boy was i surprised!!! Actually, i was totally blown away by how well Baby(my first Zach) performed, and immediatly fell in love!!! Since then, Zachary is all i'll play!!! Well, actually, i still play my Godin and Jeff Beck Strat cause they have the Roland Guitar Synth systems,but when my Zachary Busywood SG shows up, those are most likely History!!! i might keep them around for back-up,though!!! All i can say is that til You've actually played a Zachary, You have no idea what Yer missin'!!! The only reason that i tell anyone about them is cause i want others to be blessed too!!! My Dad once sat me down and said, "Bob, You can go to school and graduate w/ staight As, but if You can't think for Yourself, You've Failed!!!" i guess all i'm saying is, try to keep an open mind and realize that Marketing Hype is just that, HYPE!!!>

peace and respect,Bros!!! >

I didn't read most of this for the sake of my blood pressure but can imagine what 'yer' talking about in 'ya' post.

I'll give you an important lesson that will save you big money in the future, CNC wood = hand carved wood, if alex did his guitars in a CNC you would have a few more grand in 'yer' pocket today. If he knows what's best for guitar players then his advice should be "My guitars are the best but they're a total rippoff and you're probably better off buying a mainstream for the same price which will be better value because they use CNC's and can put the extra money into stuff that will actually make it sound and play better."

Maybe if you paid attention in school you would be smart enough to realize that, after all, you're only dribbling the same crap alex told you so who can't think for themselves?

[Demiurge]

Originally Posted by bobby simcox

Personally, i think it would be a ballsy move for a Major Guitar Mag to reprint the Esquire piece, but then again we probably shouldn't expect them to risk offending their High Revenue Advertisers for the sake of an Honest, Informed,Differing opinion!!!

but we knew all that!!!

In Esquire, calling Paul Reed Smith a "fraud" will go somewhat unnoticed. In a major guitar publication, that term as well as many other things said go from a potshot to a loaded accusation about a company's business and product. At the least the offended parties pull ads and at the worst their lawyers circle like sharks, if you get my drift.

[crevis]

I don't believe guitar mags exploit people, they tell them what they want to hear and those people deserve to be exploited. Kids don't drool over PRS's because the mags told them too, the mags audience are the kids and they just give them what they want.

[bobby simcox]

Originally Posted by crevis

I didn't read most of this for the sake of my blood pressure but can imagine what 'yer' talking about in 'ya' post.

I'll give you an important lesson that will save you big money in the future, CNC wood = hand carved wood, if alex did his guitars in a CNC you would have a few more grand in 'yer' pocket today. If he knows what's best for guitar players then his advice should be "My guitars are the best but they're a total rippoff and you're probably better off buying a mainstream for the same price which will be better value because they use CNC's and can put the extra money into stuff that will actually make it sound and play better."

Maybe if you paid attention in school you would be smart enough to realize that, after all, you're only dribbling the same crap alex told you so who can't think for themselves?

Yes, Obviously You didn't read what i wrote!!!

[bobby simcox]

Originally Posted by jono

It's true that a magazine like esquire isn't going to have much comeback from an article like this, its readers will more likely read it in their dentists' waiting room passing the time before their root canal work There's probably as much truth to it as their "fashion" tips. i.e. it's one mans opinion printed as fact, regardless of whether it can be substantiated. But I degress and that thread was closed

Yup yup yup Envoking closed threads is a no no, unless Yer slogging someone!!!:LOL:



This much is defiantely true. I'm always shocked by signature models that appear and bear no resemblance to the guitar the "rock star" was playing last week!

Yeah, ain't marketing a wonderful thang? At least they're not selling Crack!!!;D



Yes it would be a ballsy move indeed, I think the bigger obstacle wouldn't be the advertising budget but first of all convincing a guitar magazine editor, most of whom seem to have fairly concrete opinions about what makes a good guitar, usually play in a fairly decent band and have several thousands of pounds worth of gear (certainly in the UK) that everything THEY know about a guitar is wrong.

Agreed, and that's the tough part of trying to trancend Popular Paradigms!!!
Personally, i wouldn't utilize Brash tactics to articulate my views,but then again, "the squeeky wheel gets the oil" in most cases!!!:/

With regards to the actual 8 string in question, it looks beautifully constructed and finished from the photos, and I'm a big fan of natrual finish guitars and matching headstocks, but it's just so damn ugly!!!

Yup yup yup, Zachary Axes aren't for Everyone!!! It's not a matter of "Right" or "Wrong", it's a matter of personal preferance!!!

[bobby simcox]

Originally Posted by crevis

I don't believe guitar mags exploit people, they tell them what they want to hear and those people deserve to be exploited. Kids don't drool over PRS's because the mags told them too, the mags audience are the kids and they just give them what they want.

Marketing,Manipulation,Exploitation, they're all in the mix!!! That's the world of Sales!!!

[Dino]

Originally Posted by crevis

I don't believe guitar mags exploit people, they tell them what they want to hear and those people deserve to be exploited. Kids don't drool over PRS's because the mags told them too, the mags audience are the kids and they just give them what they want.

They give the kids what the advertisers tell them. Guitar mags are relatively cheap, and often are the first thing someone who is new to guitar will buy to see what the stuff is all about. It's like a preschooler picking up a porno mag and PRS is the centerfold.

[bobby simcox]

Originally Posted by Demiurge

In Esquire, calling Paul Reed Smith a "fraud" will go somewhat unnoticed. In a major guitar publication, that term as well as many other things said go from a potshot to a loaded accusation about a company's business and product. At the least the offended parties pull ads and at the worst their lawyers circle like sharks, if you get my drift.

i thought that's what i was implying w/o going into details!!!

Personally, i don't think the major Guitar companies would even pay much attention!!! Why waste time,money,and recorces on a small one man operation, w/ "shallow pockets", outta Windsor,Ontario? Especially since they get so much free anti Alex flame time fr so many folks on guitar forums!!! Then again, Ya never know...

[crevis]

Originally Posted by bobby simcox

Yes, Obviously You didn't read what i wrote!!!

I did grit my teeth and read the whole thing!!!!!!! !!!!!! !!! .

[bobby simcox]

Originally Posted by crevis

I did grit my teeth and read the whole thing!!!!!!! !!!!!! !!! .

Right On,Bro,You ROCK!!!

[Eco]

Originally Posted by Dee

I'm honestly past caring.

Dont worry about it man, as much as the guitars probably arent to my tastes, i'd still like to try one and see if i can be proven wrong.

Props to him for sticking to his principles and to you, Bobby and Dino who stand by your own and dont flake out because people rip him.

Lets all face it, if Ibanez stuck to their guns as much as that guy did, we'd still have the original wizards, edge and the quality we had when they first realsed these guitars, because he doesnt seem like hes the type of guy to slack off for an extra few $$$'s

He seems pretty arrogant to be honest and some of the companies he rips on his site are companies i really like, he may not mention them directly, but we know who he means, im sure he'll be a decent bloke to deal with if you give him a chance, but by the looks of things, i doubt he'd care if you dont take your business to him.

I actually think his guitars are pretty fairly priced, go look at other handmade custom builders, they're all in the $5000+ zone.

[crevis]

Originally Posted by bobby simcox

Right On,Bro,You ROCK!!!

SAY IT AGAIN, I DIDN"T HEAR YOU!!!!!!!!