24 Fret Tuning Question!

[Schwarzwind]

so one day i was sitting down and playing my JEM7VWH...

then this 17 yrs old "emo" kid came over to record some stuff on my rig...

he thinks the JEM is "sick" and goes on to tell me that he's going to purchase a Schecter C1 HellRaiser.



then he went on to tell me that he's gonna tune to Standard dADGBE.

so i told him...

"why would you buy a 24 fret and tune to drop D? thats unheard of..."

then he said

"because Schecter doesnt make 22 fret guitars..."

i told him that the harmonics, intonation and the notes would be shuffled around after the 12th fret because of the scale length.

then he replied...

"i dont play past the 12th fret..."

after that i just ramble how stupid the idea was and how emo-core music sucks...

anyways as far as i know, 24 fret guitars always use DGCFAD as "Standard" tuning.

so my question is...

was i ill informed about the subject?

to my knowledge the idea of buying a 24 fret guitar is to acquire the extra deeper notes on the first 2 frets on top of the standard notes...

NOT to have the higher register notes on the last 2 frets...

can anyone edumacate me on this subject?

[David McCarroll]

Ummmm, what planet are you from stranger?

[Ayrton]

Moving on....

[Ki swordsman]

you're thinking of baritone guitars which have extra low notes..

the usual 24 fret neck is simply for the extra high register notes.

[Schwarzwind]

Originally Posted by Ki swordsman

you're thinking of baritone guitars which have extra low notes..

the usual 24 fret neck is simply for the extra high register notes.

so eADGBE tuning is ok in 24 frets?

im just really confused on this.

[Ayrton]

Originally Posted by Schwarzwind

so eADGBE tuning is ok in 24 frets?

Yes, perfectly fine.

[AleTheNervo]

The baritone guitars are tuned dgcfad but they have different scale lenght
Try looking this
http://www.vai.com/Machines/guitarpages/guitar047.html

[David McCarroll]

So, for that matter is DGCFAD, but that is generally referred to as "Dropped D" tuning, as opposed to EADGBE, which is standard tuning on any normal six string guitar regardless of the number of frets it has.

[Ki swordsman]

if you grab a slide and slide up to the 22nd fret on a 22 fret guitar you are making that note just as the fret does.. if you then go past it to where the next notes are and imagine little frets under those points beyond the 22nd, that's all a 24 fretter does.
so you can see as long as the scale remains correct, you can throw as many frets as you want in, theoretically almost all the way up to the bridge and it'll make no difference to how you can tune it or the scale or how the notes 22 and below will sound..

[Mike239]

That Schecter C1 HellRaiser looks pretty close to my guitar teachers KX custom cort guitar except his is blue.

Doesn't matter how many frets you got like Ki swordsman said if you keep it in a correct scale the intonation is fine. Just a couple of days ago i de-tuned my guitar down a whole step and it kept perfect intonation.

[Roland]

Originally Posted by Schwarzwind

then this 17 yrs old "emo" kid came over to record some stuff on my rig...

...

then he went on to tell me that he's gonna tune to Standard dADGBE.

so i told him...

"why would you buy a 24 fret and tune to drop D? thats unheard of..."

...

i told him that the harmonics, intonation and the notes would be shuffled around after the 12th fret because of the scale length.

then he replied...

"i dont play past the 12th fret..."

after that i just ramble how stupid the idea was and how emo-core music sucks...

anyways as far as i know, 24 fret guitars always use DGCFAD as "Standard" tuning.

so my question is...

was i ill informed about the subject?

to my knowledge the idea of buying a 24 fret guitar is to acquire the extra deeper notes on the first 2 frets on top of the standard notes...

NOT to have the higher register notes on the last 2 frets...

can anyone edumacate me on this subject?

Not to be a big meanie and drop the big lecture bomb - but this needs to be said.

You come across as a very judgemental - and due to your lack of knowledge - hypocritical person. You know pretty much nothing about guitars (aside from some VERY bizarre preconceived notions!), yet you have no problem slandering down on a kid you call an "emo" due to him asking a few questions that go against your erroneous preconceptions.

First off - tuning to drop D on a 24-fret. I have no idea where you'd get the notion that that's unheard of. Tuning and fret-count are completely unrelated.

Then you ramble on some nonsense about intonation being thrown off, etc. This further proves your ignorance. That's what you have adjustable saddles for. What REALLY disappoints me is the fact that you act like a complete ass to the kid when you yourself don't have the faintest clue on what you're talking about!

Point four - 24 frets being tuned one step down. You were wrong. Pretty much all standard scale-length guitars, regardless of fret-count are tuned EADGBE. Fret-count just determines how high up on the fretboard you can go. 24 frets gives you 2 full octaves on any given string. There's also necks with 22 frets, 21 frets, and more. Rarer variants include 27, 29 and even 36 frets.

On the subject of baritone guitars:
"The baritone guitar is a variation on the standard guitar, with a longer scale length that allows it to be tuned to a lower range." - off of Wikipedia.
There is no 100% standard baritone tuning, but in any case it's definately not DGCFAD. Most baritone guitars are tuned to B. Some go down to A, others one full octave below E. Again, off of Wikipedia:
"A standard guitar's standard tuning (from lowest string to highest) is E A D G B E. Baritone guitars are usually tuned a fifth lower (A D G C E A), a fourth lower (B E A D F# B) or an octave lower"

[eviltwin]

Originally Posted by David McCarroll

So, for that matter is DGCFAD, but that is generally referred to as "Dropped D" tuning, as opposed to EADGBE, which is standard tuning on any normal six string guitar regardless of the number of frets it has.

DGCFAD is *not* drop-D tuning,
drop-D is DADGBE, so it's just regular EADGBE tuning with the E dropped to D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_D

dropping the entire guitar down one whole step is generally referred to as tuning to D (i.s.o. tuning to E, or Eb)

[Quiksilver98]

Originally Posted by Roland

Not to be a big meanie and drop the big lecture bomb - but this needs to be said.

You come across as a very judgemental - and due to your lack of knowledge - hypocritical person. You know pretty much nothing about guitars (aside from some VERY bizarre preconceived notions!), yet you have no problem slandering down on a kid you call an "emo" due to him asking a few questions that go against your erroneous preconceptions.

First off - tuning to drop D on a 24-fret. I have no idea where you'd get the notion that that's unheard of. Tuning and fret-count are completely unrelated.

Then you ramble on some nonsense about intonation being thrown off, etc. This further proves your ignorance. That's what you have adjustable saddles for. What REALLY disappoints me is the fact that you act like a complete ass to the kid when you yourself don't have the faintest clue on what you're talking about!

Point four - 24 frets being tuned one step down. You were wrong. Pretty much all standard scale-length guitars, regardless of fret-count are tuned EADGBE. Fret-count just determines how high up on the fretboard you can go. 24 frets gives you 2 full octaves on any given string. There's also necks with 22 frets, 21 frets, and more. Rarer variants include 27, 29 and even 36 frets.

On the subject of baritone guitars:
"The baritone guitar is a variation on the standard guitar, with a longer scale length that allows it to be tuned to a lower range." - off of Wikipedia.
There is no 100% standard baritone tuning, but in any case it's definately not DGCFAD. Most baritone guitars are tuned to B. Some go down to A, others one full octave below E. Again, off of Wikipedia:
"A standard guitar's standard tuning (from lowest string to highest) is E A D G B E. Baritone guitars are usually tuned a fifth lower (A D G C E A), a fourth lower (B E A D F# B) or an octave lower"

Thank you!! Someone had to tell this guy. my comment to him: How the **** do you have your JEM tuned then? If you have it tuned to that weird tuning then you are really dumb, how do you think Vai plays? hahahahahaha this whole thing is a joke. Think before you say stuff sir. I suppose you thought the kid was emo because he liked Metal or something? I also suppose you might think the last 4 scalloped frets on your jem are dumb frets or canyon frets, or something stupid like that .NEW FLASH: YOU JEM HAS 24FRETS

[brothersnowgone]

Originally Posted by Quiksilver98

Thank you!! Someone had to tell this guy.

I second that thank you and raise you a "hell yes!"...

[Quiksilver98]

Two yes, anyone a third? going once, going twice, going trice, SOLD to the guy in the black suite.