Becoming a Floyd/Edge Pro Master! - Page 2

The Euphor · #16 12-03-2005, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jemsite

advice to newcomers - go with what Rich says here

...glen

So, you're telling me, as a newcomer, that without any experience with trems, I should go ahead and file the knife edges on my Edge trem?

As Rich has tested some of Kevans guitars, and they prove that Kevans method works. Why go for something more timeconsuming and with a greater risk of failure if both methods gives me the same result?

In all honesty, would you prefer Kevans method over Richs?

**jemsite** · #17 12-03-2005, 10:53 AM

yes

...glen

atarilovesyou · #18 12-03-2005, 04:26 PM

Interesting. I'm hoping my trem has no burrs!

I wouldn't file them just cause I don't know how. I can barely sharpen a turkey carving knife!

I guess this topic is kinda heated, with no real reason. I'm taking that the lubing of the trem is an open issue. I doubt I will, again, since I'm a minimalist. But this is all good info.

fettouhi · #19 12-03-2005, 04:41 PM

Another interesting thread

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Regards

André

ChopTart · #20 12-03-2005, 05:46 PM

arent they just both very viable options for fixing a trem? the way i see it, is if the trem isnt returning to zero, then it would make sense to try the easy ones first, and then move to the more advanced measures. if its a smaller problem, try the lube to fix it, if theres really something wrong with the knife edges, then use sharpening to fix it. 2 different solutions for different situations.

personally, knowing rich's history of high-quality set ups, it makes sense to believe that there CAN be problems with the knife edges, but why not try the easy solution first in case it's just friction causing the problem? of course if it wasnt friction, i wouldn't be surprised to hear if my knife edges were out of whack. i just wouldnt be so quick to muff with them because it's something that can be messed up very easily.

oh and kevan, as a skateboarder, i have to say that wax IS a lubricant - its used all the time on ledges to help you slide across them easier. some kinds are sticky, but there are also very slippery kinds.

lets all get along eh?

Rich · #21 12-03-2005, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Euphor

So, you're telling me, as a newcomer, that without any experience with trems, I should go ahead and file the knife edges on my Edge trem?

As Rich has tested some of Kevans guitars, and they prove that Kevans method works. Why go for something more timeconsuming and with a greater risk of failure if both methods gives me the same result?

In all honesty, would you prefer Kevans method over Richs?

I have always recomended using lube first before ever filing and only filing if the improvement wasn't satisfactory.

m0p · #22 12-04-2005, 02:06 AM

When you get an EP equipped guitar, don't bother filing the knife edges straight away. Do the locking stud mod, get a good setup, make sure everything is nice and tightened down and in working order, and make sure you use lube as well, as has already been said. Only bother with filing the knife edges if you've got everything setup perfect, and you still experience tuning problems. Just because the knife edges are manafactured out of the desirable spec, doesn't mean they will always be the cause of stability issues.

The Euphor · #23 12-04-2005, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

I have always recomended using lube first before ever filing and only filing if the improvement wasn't satisfactory.

10-4.

I have to say that message didn't come through in this thread, untill now.

Better late than never.

Old man...

Rich · #24 12-04-2005, 06:34 PM

It's stated right in the first couple paragraphs on my filing page, not like it's a secret or anything

jamesb_88 · #25 12-04-2005, 07:29 PM

lol, I'm with Rich on this one, for all my floyd guitars which have ever developed a problem I've read his instruction and followed his guide on it... And everything worked lovely...

I can see your point of view Kevan, but bloody hell can you mess it up filing that teeeny bit too far, which is much easier than most think. If you know your knife very well and metal strength / toughness etc yeh I can see how that can benefit...

I'd just say it's easier to use Rich's advice because you've got .... i lost myself about half way through this post... But yeh, I know what i originally meant..

Cheers, if you followed me on that one...I didn't reading it back..
James

atarilovesyou · #26 12-04-2005, 07:38 PM

...just a side note, is it really true that if you're using a good quality trem, stretch the strings properly, have the intonation and tension set properly...

...do you really only need to tune the guitar once before a gig using the microtuners? It just seems to good to be true, but I hope that's the case...I know it's not a perfect system, but can I expect some rather high performance? I've never had one before and to tell the truth, almost all the Floyd guitars in most shops aren't in tune to begin with....which leaves me to haggle with the micro tuners, and that always leads to annoyance as I'm sure the guitar isn't set for the right string guage.

Is that the benefit of the Zero Resistance trem on the Sabers?...the zero tension knob on the back, does that act as the two tension screws on a Floyd?...if so, that's a cool idea.

Rich · #27 12-04-2005, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jamesb_88

I can see your point of view Kevan, but bloody hell can you mess it up filing that teeeny bit too far, which is much easier than most think. If you know your knife very well and metal strength / toughness etc yeh I can see how that can benefit...

I don't see the point at all. Too sharp? Just dull them again. Why is that so confusing?

The Euphor · #28 12-04-2005, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich

It's stated right in the first couple paragraphs on my filing page, not like it's a secret or anything

No one linked anything to your filing page, although I know it's there.

So basically, what you're saying is that you only file the knifes if the "lube job" doesn't do the trick? I'd rather just hear it from you, as most of your site is "will be finished soon"...

Edit: Oh, on a picky note. If you file the edges and actually loose some of the edge. Wouldn't that make you intonate all six strings again? As most techs use strobe tuners that are as exact as they can get, in my mind new intonation job is a given.

I have no idea how horrific DIY knife filings can turn out. Just a thought from my side.

Rich · #29 12-04-2005, 09:15 PM

Absolutely not. I file everything to spec. I don't have the time to try one thing and if it doesn't work go back to the beginning. I know my way works every time. I recomend for others who have all the time in the world and no experience with this kind of work to not file until after they've tried simple lubrication, and only if those results aren't satisfactory to proceed.

The Euphor · #30 12-04-2005, 09:17 PM

I see and understand.

I edited my post above, but will copy the edit part into this one.

Edit: Oh, on a picky note. If you file the edges and actually loose some of the edge. Wouldn't that make you intonate all six strings again? As most techs use strobe tuners that are as exact as they can get, in my mind new intonation job is a given.

I have no idea how horrific DIY knife filings can turn out. Just a thought from my side.