Cool Nordegg Featurette and ... string stretching :)

[chlamy]

Check out the cool new featurette on Thomas Nordegg at : http://www.vai.com/tn/index.html

And by the way, don't remember it what thread people claimed tring stretching wasn'nt necessary at all, here is the concluding remark of Thomas as a guitar tech for Steve :

"Read the tuner right and stretch the strings..always stretch the strings! That's the main thing for a guy like Steve!"



Funny thing is this part :

"I hope Steve will go in the not too far future without the locking nut. You don't need the locking nut up there. My friends whammy goes to zero every time"

I am not sure if I understood that correctly, but will a guitar with the kind of whammy abuse Steve gives it, saty in tune, 'without' a locking nut ? Rich, have you ever tried that, ie perfectly strecthced strings and setup, but not locking the nut and giving the whammy total abuse ?

[AleTheNervo]

I think with a normal use it should return in tune with a good setup...
did you notice there isn't the bad horsie in his set up no more?

[AleTheNervo]

And Thomas himself has a reaaaaly huge rig! Incredible!

[chlamy]

Originally Posted by AleTheNervo

I think with a normal use it should return in tune with a good setup...
did you notice there isn't the bad horsie in his set up no more?

Well I'll give it a try, but as my setup is certainly not on par with Thomas's I dobt it will stay in tune long.

As for the bad Horsie, doesn't Thomas say there's a digitech AND a Morley Bad Horsie in the rig ?

[nuno]

Originally Posted by AleTheNervo

I think with a normal use it should return in tune with a good setup...

it does, actually, even without locking tuners or graphite nuts or whatever. the hard part is to give the guitar "that" good setup, which doesn't happen all the times.

[newbieguitarmaker]

omg the photo feast is sweet

[newbieguitarmaker]

ooo did you see the thing about vai wanting to try a Sustaniac over a fernandes!

[Devo]

In my experience any kind of friction over the nut prevents you from returning to "zero" or correct pitch with a whammy bar. And while you can get low friction graphtech stuff its far from perfect. Couple this with the fact that you then have to use locking mchine heads to prevent slippages cause by use and accidental bumps and knocks...

With the locking nut you cut out problems arising from tuners and eliminate any friction problems at the nut as the string cant slide... Sure theyre one more thing you have to look after in a set up but in my opinion its well well well worth it for a reliable effective system.

If I had restrung as many double locking guitars as Thomas has I would hate them too... but they are a necessary evil.

Steve

[neptoess]

i'm really sorry, but stretching the strings is retarded, it just ruins the strings life and tone. I use DR Tite-Fits. I put them on. Block the trem. Tune up. Lock. Play to my hearts content. Then about a week later check the tuner, and everything's still fine. If you buy strings that are just prestretched(ie. SIT/DR) you won't need to stretch them AND you'll have better tone

[Fabio]

Ah, I've stretched my string all through my guitar playing career, and apparently Vai does it as well. Now, he's not my absolute cup o' cake, but I can't say there's any flaws in 'his' tone that will be eliminated by buying prestretched strings. Same same, I say.

[AleTheNervo]

I think you're gonna have many many problems useing a floating trem without stretching the strings, I mean I heard many people saying "my guitar doesn't stay in tune because of a crappy trem like the lo-trs". I have no problem with the trs on my rg, while I had problems long time ago not stretching the strings with the lo-pro on my Jem...

[Jeroenn]

Originally Posted by chlamy

Funny thing is this part :

"I hope Steve will go in the not too far future without the locking nut. You don't need the locking nut up there. My friends whammy goes to zero every time"

I am not sure if I understood that correctly, but will a guitar with the kind of whammy abuse Steve gives it, saty in tune, 'without' a locking nut ? Rich, have you ever tried that, ie perfectly strecthced strings and setup, but not locking the nut and giving the whammy total abuse ?

What Thomas was referring to there was a new trem system that he had installed in Flo II for Steve to check out, which is a linear tremolo, developed by Don Ramsay who is a friend of Thomas. It uses a roller nut.

http://www.geocities.com/jbstratman/Flo2after.jpg

I played with Flo II a little bit a year ago and it's pretty cool stuff.

J

[nuno]

Originally Posted by neptoess

stretching the strings is retarded, it just ruins the strings life and tone. I use DR Tite-Fits [...] that are just prestretched...

so you use stretched strings! now why you're telling us that stretching strings is retarded? are you kidding us?
anyway, there's absolutely NO difference in tone between stretched and non-stretched strings, come on...

[neptoess]

when you stretch a string measure it's thickness with a micrometer. You'll see it's thinner after you stretch it. Thicker strings give you better tone(I'm quoting SRV). DR and SIT measure their strings after they stretch them. So I guess what I'm getting at is although strings need stretched, you shouldn't need to as they sell strings that already are. Someone on the Bill Lawrence forums made an entire post about it back when I used Dean Markley Blue Steels. I'll try to post the link

[newbieguitarmaker]

Originally Posted by Jeroenn

What Thomas was referring to there was a new trem system that he had installed in Flo II for Steve to check out, which is a linear tremolo, developed by Don Ramsay who is a friend of Thomas. It uses a roller nut.

http://www.geocities.com/jbstratman/Flo2after.jpg

I played with Flo II a little bit a year ago and it's pretty cool stuff.

J

That tremolo is so ugly I can't see any1 using that